RE: CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN
January 14, 2014 at 12:20 pm
(This post was last modified: January 14, 2014 at 12:28 pm by Drich.)
(January 14, 2014 at 5:29 am)themonkeyman Wrote: To me this verse raised very big problems such as?Jesus answers this in the parables of the: wheat and weeds, Grain and Chaff, Sheep and goats. In short not everyone belongs to God.
Why does it appear that God of the entire universe only looks after a select handful of people in each generation?
God only looks after His Children.
Quote:Why does it also appear that God would rather harm another of his created beings for the sake of the first one - Can he not 'Forgive Them'?If a 'Weed,chaff/goat' were keeping one of His own from Him, then what is it to God to go through that obstical?
Put it this way. If some random kid was taking your childs lunch money would you tell your kid to hand over the money, or see to it that this random kid stopped taking your kids money?
Why is God to forsake one of his own to support what He would know to be a weed/goat (someone who condemns himself to hell?)
Quote:Why when Jesus died on the Cross did no one die Immediately by bears etc.. - Surely Gods on son would have constituted Gods Wrath?The very point of Christ dying on the cross is to contain God's Wrath to the one on the cross. Jesus died, to take the wrath God had for all of us upon Himself. Once God's wrath had been placed on Christ 'we' are no longer subject to it like the people of the OT.
Quote:What is Gods intrest in the Jews?Abraham's righteousness. There is a synopsis in Hebrews 11.
Quote: It also appears that they keep turning their back on him despite existence of his presence?Indeed. That is why I say proof is meaningless without the desire to worship.
Quote:Why even when the Jews turn their back on God he still continues to keep trying with them?The promise He made to Abraham.
Quote:Yet he ignores other creatures?yes, because as bad as the jews were they were better than the rest.
Quote:Why does God have it in for the Gentiles? He created them?!No. God only created Adam, and from Adam God produced Eve, A&E REPRODUCED offspring. We are a reproduction not a creation of God. God in a sense is responsiable for our creation as He created Adam and made reproduction possiable, but we are not all 'Created' as Adam was Created.
(January 14, 2014 at 6:51 am)là bạn điên Wrote: That would be the position of a parent who wanted to encourage responsibility and that the walking/riding the bus option was a temporary measure.This life is not tempory?
Quote:Your God, however, doesn't correct your behaviour (in not believing in him) he tortures you forever. he appears to behave nothing whatsoever like a loving parentThe correction comes in the form of pain and suffering of this life in a fallen world.
Quote:Your god will forgive any atrocity committed against other people but he will never forgive non beleif in him.not true for we are told it is not enough to simply believe. The Demons believe and shutter, and they are not saved. We are to seek and accept attonement, for without it we are responsiable for our own sins. It is these sins that condemn us.
(January 14, 2014 at 8:32 am)truthBtold Wrote: And wheres is the sacrifice if he gets to go back and sit at the right hand of his daddy..Where was Christ before the cross in relation to the Father?
(January 14, 2014 at 11:16 am)Esquilax Wrote:I haven't ignored anything As i said God interacts as He has been invited. If you re read the story of elisha the bears did not attack till elisha curse the 'kids.'(January 14, 2014 at 10:51 am)Drich Wrote: The arguement I used still reflects our control and ultimate authority/responsiablity of what happenes in this world, even to the point of asking God into our lives where in some cases he uses bears to maul young-ens.
God stands on the outside till you invite Him in.
Yeah, you're not going to refute my argument if you refuse to change the conditions of your original statement, nor address my contentions in any way.
So can god maintain omni-benevolence (presumably in some world that isn't ours!) and allow free will and happenstance, or not? If he can, why isn't he? If he can't, he's not omnipotent.
And why is it that you're ignoring the fact that he already interferes with the world, he just does it to murder children with bears, rather than being benevolent?
I agree that God is not your version/ does not follow your defination of omnipotent. again as alpha and Omega God does what God wants to do. Not what your defination says He should do.