RE: A wonderful response to biblical objections to homosexuality.
January 19, 2014 at 11:36 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2014 at 11:37 pm by Drich.)
(January 19, 2014 at 2:12 pm)Drich Wrote: drich's interpretation is simply known as Christianity. I do not know of any Christian who see himself as being bound by all the rules and regulations of OT Judaism.
As such clearly in John 8 Jesus clearly states what we should do about people found in sexual sin concerning stoning. The context is very clear and speaks exactly to this particular situation. You and apparently the gay rock woman don't seem to understand the basics of biblical Christianity.
(January 19, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Great, so you agree with me that political opponents of marriage equality don't have a biblical basis for their beliefs. Gotcha.what are you talking about seriously? I was speaking to the reason why the city consul man would not stone a gay woman as a Christian. I have absolutely no idea how you got your above comment from what I wrote.
Quote:I'm not arguing that your bigoted little religion doesn't see homosexuality as a sin; I know that it does. I'm arguing that, as you seem to agree, there's no point in the bible where any of its key speakers ever commands that the way to deal with homosexuals is to prevent them from marrying and to discriminate in a political sense. It's either stone them, or it's nothing.when did you start on this point? Your initial rebuttal had nothing to do with this. Or is this what you last post was about? Is that why you last post created a strawman and made a left turn that had nothing to do with anything I have said?
Because again the reason the Christian did not stone that woman is because in John 8 when a woman caught in a sexual sin was brought to Jesus to be stoned he said " he who is without sin cast the first stone." Meaning Christians are not in a position to kill someone for their sins. Why because we are all in sin all the time just like the woman who was caught in a sexual sin or the gay woman with the rock or any other gay or straight person. Christ was teaching us we are all in The same boat!
Quote:You say gay marriage hasn't been sanctified by god, and that's fine; I'd also point out that neither has the computer you're writing on.has it been ever bann by God? Homosexuality has hence the reason for the rock the gay woman brought to the city consul meeting.
Quote:One doesn't need god's permission for every last little thing, because the bible doesn't have everything that ever will be in it.but sex is one of those things the bible does lock down, which means you do have to reconcile your behavior with the bible concerning all aspects of sex.
Quote:Moreover, even if you do find gay marriage a sin... isn't it you people who always say that god gave us all the free will to sin if we want to?ah, no. You'll actually like this better. The biblE says we do not have free will, that we are slaves to sin and will be doomed to be a sinner. This includes forbidden herto and homosexual sex. Which again is why Christ died, to help those looking to redeem themselves from those sins.
Quote:You bring up John 8, which is great; since you aren't casting first stones, and you have no other verse to back up this kind of discrimination, I guess you're pro-marriage equality, then?what kind of discrimation are you referring?
Lek Wrote:Here's what the bible says about homosexual relations in the book of Romans, Chap 1: "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." That 's from the NIV version of the new testament. Jesus did announce that we are no longer under the laws of the old testament. That includes stoning practicing homosexuals. But the underlying moral principles are still pertinent. He did command us to love our neighbors. I do love homosexuals. Heck, I even love Democrats.
But you'd agree that there's no point in the bible where it says "thou shalt prevent the gays from marrying," yes? And so there's no biblical basis for doing so today, despite the claims of those that do?
That's the point of the stoning thing, guys: you have exactly one recommended course of action against homosexuals in the bible, so there's no possible way one can refer to it as a justification for moving against them politically.
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