CHISTIANS PLEASE EXPLAIN

[Esquilax]

Some good points. In the first instance with the chap with the knife – the “punishment” is not something you deserved because of any action on your behalf. If you chose to be confronted with this chap brandishing his knife – good luck to you!

I submit to you that hell, an infinite punishment, has no corresponding finite crime through which it could be deserved; there is literally no crime I could commit that would cause me to deserve to suffer eternally, least of all the crimes I'm actually being "convicted" of here, which include being born human chronologically after Adam, and not believing in a deity for which there is no evidence. Do any of those things seem like sufficient reason to light me on fire? Would you feel comfortable doing that to me for those things?

Also, let's say I literally called out to the man from across the street and teased him, actively antagonized him: would he then be justified in stabbing me? Is there any action I could perform, save a similar act of violence, for which he would be justified in stabbing me?

If no, is there any act I could perform against god, bar literally throwing him into hell, for which he would be justified in performing such violence against me, a person who's never even interacted with him?

The car – nope they should not leave you there. You have however not prevented them from assisting you. If you reject their offer and make it impossible for them to assist, you blame them?

If someone has been in a car accident and, in their panic, they begin to flail around and prevent the medics from doing their job, they restrain the patient in order to save his life.

Oh, and incidentally, there's literally nothing I could do to prevent god from sending me to heaven; he just won't because he doesn't want to, under your scenario. So he's the ambulance driver tutting and saying "you knew the risks," not the one being actively prevented from working.

Oh, and also, also? We still feel obligated to help those attempting suicide from harming themselves, and those guys are actively preventing that help. Why is god left out of the loop, again?

So everything is somebody else’s fault but your own? Jesus has offered you help – paying with his own life so you can live. The “paramedic” has in fact already died and offered you the escape/assitance in doing so, but you refuse. Yet you blame him?

Yes, because he first rammed my car off the road so he could offer me assistance: he is the architect of the predicament he's "saving" me from.

If you forcibly amputate my leg for no reason, am I to be thankful to you when you stop the bleeding so I don't die from it?

You suggest “outside our control”. My friend, are you suggesting that it is impossible for you to accept Jesus as Saviour? Why?

Because I am rationally incapable of accepting claims for which there are no evidence simply because a figure contained within those claims threatens me while smiling beneficently.

Please do not suggest logic. There is as much logic if not more (if you dare to evaluate matters objectively) in accepting Jesus as there is claimed to exist for rejecting Him. It is an “emotional” decision (rebellion) and not intellectual at all.

There's no logic in accepting Jesus, and all the arguments you bring up for such a thing are fallacious; it is only because you've already chosen what you want to believe, that you don't see that. Furthermore, don't presume to tell me the reasons I've come to the decisions I have.

You are wrong. If you read the Bible, you will see that God sends the “good stuff” as well as calamity.

Actually? Most of the good stuff I have, I earned myself through word and deed. My family, my possessions, the traits in myself that I value, those are all things I worked toward myself. And even if I didn't, the balance would still be tipped toward the bad things, because hell is infinite, while this world is not, so... still immoral.

Oh, and you would first have to demonstrate that the bible is true, which you have not done.

He did not “lift a finger” is obviously incorrect as He died for the sins of those that believe in Him – which He offers freely- without having to “earn” it.

He set up a system which is immoral, and then offered a loophole through that system, all the while tarting up the nothing he actually had to do as some supreme sacrifice: if you die and then all of that is immediately reversed so that you become god, how is that a sacrifice? Oh, and my sacrifice, which will actually stick, and be infinite and not finite, is greater than Jesus'.

Oh, and also, you haven't demonstrated Jesus did anything, either.

Place your trust in Jesus, let go of wanting to be in control, repent of your sins and live a holy life. It is not that easy and will open you up to ridicule etc.

Don't preach, Mister Passive Aggressive.

Consider the message from qôheleth in Ecclesiates. This life is like a puff of smoke and “chasing after wind”. “All is vanity” yet we fret and continue as if this life has any real meaning in itself. Where is the late Mr Mandela? What does he have for all his labour in this world? A country full of crime, corruption, maladministration etc.?
Yet there is beauty, courage honour as well even in poor townships, forests, streams. But this will all pass away – as we all do.

Still not big on demonstrating your religious claims, are you?