Firstly Drichy, glad you're ok > despite what some people may occasionally post in jest, I very much doubt that anyone would wish death or injury upon you. I can't say as i've ever heard of an atheist murdering a theist on the grounds of intolerance towards the theist's theism. I understand that in your world of literal prayer and sin cycles, you are convinced that there is some deeper meaning to your terrifying experience (and indeed most things that happen in your life). But, seeing as this IS an atheist forum, and that you've decided to SHARE your experience with us, it is nevertheless our duty to scrutinise your response to even this most earthly of earthbound events.
Ok, i'll duck the patronising undertones to this paragraph and address your straight up hopes and desires. Firstly i've gotta say it would be deeply naive of you to assume that negative things haven't already happened to atheists on this forum. Any randomly selected sample group from the population at large will contain a huge number of people who have experienced loss, ill-health, torment etc. Clearly, challenging circumstances haven't clouded our ability to reason. I recently had bad medical news, ironically concerning the very field of work that I am involved in (albeit at a low level); pathology/genetics. However, because of my understanding of the way the world works, I don't attempt to read meaning in to things that just don't contain meaning. Surely it is painfully obvious even to you that good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people. Clearly, there is no correlation between prayer/good deeds and rewards/punishments in the real world. Robert Mugabe leads a lavish lifestyle whilst many thousands of good christians live in abject poverty. Again, you're convinced that god has decided to make a relatively mediocre life in to something really great (as with you), whilst he refuses to make intolerable lives at least barely endurable. Every time an honest, decent christian dies after months and even years of miserable suffering, a nail is banged in to the coffin of prayer-reward deception. How on earth can you explain why god makes your life better, when tens of thousands of decent people who did exactly as you did (prayed and followed scripture to the T) appear to be rewarded with cholera, diptheria, rape, torture and mutilation? We're talking women and children here too, the victims of war crimes etc. Even if you believe it was worth it to receive reward in an afterlife, why in the here and now are you prioritised whilst people live in relatively worse conditions than those you experienced even at the hardest times in your life? Not to take anything away from your strife, trust me i've been there, but with the benefit of hindsight my worst times still couldn't have compared to being gang-raped and battered on a daily basis, enduring mental and physical anguish on an insurmountable level. How could you be so naive as to believe that god's selection criteria make any sense at all? Clearly, god does not answer prayers with any rational consistency, and indeed, probably doesn't exist at all.
Ironically, the poorest part of the planet - Africa, is experiencing the worst AIDS epidemic conceivable, worse than on any other continent. Why on earth would you wish a progressive and terminal illness on someone in the hope that it would help them find god? Do I even need to point out the glaringly obvious fact that many christians, who endure the most impoverished conditions imaginable, already suffer from AIDS, and Cholera, and Diptheria, and Nodding fever, and any number of miserable illnesses that kill people in their millions. Many of these ailments are easily treatable in the developed world, but such is the misery of the third world that something as straight forward as a stomach bug or the flu can be fatal. How can you wish such awful awful things on people, when there are already christians (that's right, people who already found god) afflicted with such dire misery who aren't being elevated to even a barely tolerable standard of living, HERE, IN THE REAL WORLD? As you read this post, take a guess at how many christian women are being gang-raped and murdered, take a guess at how many new young men are contracting HIV without even realising it? Good people, who never did anything wrong? This isn't so much the folly of christianity, it's why we find views like yours utterly disgusting. Clearly yours is a troubled soul, it has caused you to espouse some morally reprehensible shit, and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself for wishing such horrors on good, decent people (especially when your fellow christians are afflicted with the very same horrors). I don't pray but I hope that one day you realise that you have dedicated your life to a complete delusion. Grow up, and realise that car accidents are a mere fact of life and have nothing to do with prayer or sin, and understand this, even at our lowest of lows, we aren't nearly so purile as to wish incurable diseases on gullible buffoons such as you. I left that shite behind on the playground, I suggest you do too.
(January 23, 2014 at 9:20 am)Drich Wrote: A couple things, I was willing to pray for 'whatever it took' for you guys to find God this included AIDS or cancer or anything else. (Health, wealth, wife, strife, life..) why? Because again this is what it took for me. I went into the negative on all of these things, and now on the other side I have been blessed with an abundance of all five. What ever you hold closest to your heart, you must be willing to let go.
Ok, i'll duck the patronising undertones to this paragraph and address your straight up hopes and desires. Firstly i've gotta say it would be deeply naive of you to assume that negative things haven't already happened to atheists on this forum. Any randomly selected sample group from the population at large will contain a huge number of people who have experienced loss, ill-health, torment etc. Clearly, challenging circumstances haven't clouded our ability to reason. I recently had bad medical news, ironically concerning the very field of work that I am involved in (albeit at a low level); pathology/genetics. However, because of my understanding of the way the world works, I don't attempt to read meaning in to things that just don't contain meaning. Surely it is painfully obvious even to you that good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people. Clearly, there is no correlation between prayer/good deeds and rewards/punishments in the real world. Robert Mugabe leads a lavish lifestyle whilst many thousands of good christians live in abject poverty. Again, you're convinced that god has decided to make a relatively mediocre life in to something really great (as with you), whilst he refuses to make intolerable lives at least barely endurable. Every time an honest, decent christian dies after months and even years of miserable suffering, a nail is banged in to the coffin of prayer-reward deception. How on earth can you explain why god makes your life better, when tens of thousands of decent people who did exactly as you did (prayed and followed scripture to the T) appear to be rewarded with cholera, diptheria, rape, torture and mutilation? We're talking women and children here too, the victims of war crimes etc. Even if you believe it was worth it to receive reward in an afterlife, why in the here and now are you prioritised whilst people live in relatively worse conditions than those you experienced even at the hardest times in your life? Not to take anything away from your strife, trust me i've been there, but with the benefit of hindsight my worst times still couldn't have compared to being gang-raped and battered on a daily basis, enduring mental and physical anguish on an insurmountable level. How could you be so naive as to believe that god's selection criteria make any sense at all? Clearly, god does not answer prayers with any rational consistency, and indeed, probably doesn't exist at all.
Ironically, the poorest part of the planet - Africa, is experiencing the worst AIDS epidemic conceivable, worse than on any other continent. Why on earth would you wish a progressive and terminal illness on someone in the hope that it would help them find god? Do I even need to point out the glaringly obvious fact that many christians, who endure the most impoverished conditions imaginable, already suffer from AIDS, and Cholera, and Diptheria, and Nodding fever, and any number of miserable illnesses that kill people in their millions. Many of these ailments are easily treatable in the developed world, but such is the misery of the third world that something as straight forward as a stomach bug or the flu can be fatal. How can you wish such awful awful things on people, when there are already christians (that's right, people who already found god) afflicted with such dire misery who aren't being elevated to even a barely tolerable standard of living, HERE, IN THE REAL WORLD? As you read this post, take a guess at how many christian women are being gang-raped and murdered, take a guess at how many new young men are contracting HIV without even realising it? Good people, who never did anything wrong? This isn't so much the folly of christianity, it's why we find views like yours utterly disgusting. Clearly yours is a troubled soul, it has caused you to espouse some morally reprehensible shit, and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself for wishing such horrors on good, decent people (especially when your fellow christians are afflicted with the very same horrors). I don't pray but I hope that one day you realise that you have dedicated your life to a complete delusion. Grow up, and realise that car accidents are a mere fact of life and have nothing to do with prayer or sin, and understand this, even at our lowest of lows, we aren't nearly so purile as to wish incurable diseases on gullible buffoons such as you. I left that shite behind on the playground, I suggest you do too.
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Most Gays have a typical behavior of rejecting religions, because religions consider them as sinners (In Islam they deserve to be killed)
(June 19, 2013 at 3:23 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I think you are too idiot to know the meaning of idiot for example you have a law to prevent boys under 16 from driving do you think that all boys under 16 are careless and cannot drive properly
