Answered prayer

[WesOlsen]

As I have already admitted a couple of different times now that you guys praying for my death was a joke. Do you seriously believe God would kill me to sell you a misplaced faith?

You seem to think that god would kill others, or at least force incurable illnesses upon them thus hastening their departure from this world. It really is difficult to suss what exactly you do believe to be honest, given the calibre of the psychopathic shit that flows from your cakehole.

Because sometimes that what it takes

You've missed the point entirely. The point was, that many thousands of christians have already submitted entirely to god, as you did, and have invested vast amounts of time and money (what little they have) in honouring and spreading the message. Yet despite this, they are still struck down with awful medical conditions, or burdened with torture and endless misery. If that's 'what it takes' to spread the word of god, then that's a funny sort of reward for hardcore belief.

If they have those diseases then why would you think I'd pray that they get them? I was offering to pray for anyone looking to find God the same prayer i prayed, in that may God afflict or give you what ever it took for you to find him. Most of you want to focous on AIDS because that was my path. But yours maybe a winning lottery ticket, who knows. What I was illustrating was one has to be open and willing to follow the path God may lead you down, no matter what it takes.

I was simply offering my prayer on your behalf to do whatever it took for you to Find God.

Again you've missed the point, you seem to want to pray for people to experience a multitude of life events (up to and including negative ones, such as aids and cancer) in order for them to somehow make an irrational connection between that event occuring and some sort of divine cause. People win the lottery every day, they don't automatically assume that god caused it to happen, we've got statistics for that. Likewise people are struck down with horrid illnesses every day, and again many of them (particularly those familiar with the medical literature) know that it is a statistical likelihood and nothing supernatural. Some people win the lottery and get cancer, and think that Krishna or Allah was gracious, how are they to make the connection with your particular sub-denomination of a sub-denomination of the christian faith? And again the whole point was, what about people who find god first, give up so much, and are then stricken with aids and cancer and mutilation? Statistically there is clearly no correlation between praying/believing and the occurence of virtually any real world event, positive or negative. Placebo trials aside, the most we can say is that things happen in spite of religious observance.

Good people, who never did anything wrong?

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Woah so let me get this straight, shit tons of people every day get aids, cancer and raped arseholes, but they are all bad people? Even the observant christians who do nothing but good deeds? 6 year old children who get recruited in to millitias and have their arms cut off? 10 year old girls who get kidnapped and raped? They have all done something wrong?

Actually you find views like mine disgusting because of a false sence of pop/culturally based morality affords you. Your judgement is no different than of those who followed a hitler, a moa, stallin, or KKK or anyone else who bases his 'morality' on what the soceity of the time says is acceptiable... I guess me and people like me should be thankful it is not permissiable for pop morality people to hunt christians down again.

You derive your morals from some ignorant buffoons who wandered the desert centuries ago, assuming that the earth was still flat and that it was at the center of the cosmos. Ironically your morals are far more epoch relative than mine, because yours are unadaptable and espouse barbaric garbage. My morals are markedly different from those of Stalin and Hitler, because every ethical code I hold dear (democracy, freedom of speech, cooperation and fair play, to name a few) are essentially the polar opposite of those held by the dictators you mention, which blows your inane argument out of the water completely. It is also interesting to note that my ethical framework takes in to consideration the democratic process and weighing up the cost/benefit of different ideas so that it accurately reflects the impact of decisions on others as well as myself (it's called altruism). Your moral code on the other hand, which derives from a particularly fundamentalist interpretation of some ridiculously ignorant tribal literature, thinks it ok to wish cancer, aids and torture on people in order that they obey a certain viewpoint, rather than trying to tempt them in with good reasoning and kindess. No need to point out the parallels with your recruitment tactics and those of Stalin, Hitler (and all the other enemies of freedom) who used coercion and brutality to force people to adhere to a particular way of life. It's worth noting at this point that you, in your infinite capacity for self-delusion and gullibility, believe that your morals actually come straight from god, but think on this brain food: if morals are only moral because god created them, then what you call morals are essentially the commands of one lifeform, i.e they are nothing more than the edicts and orders of one entity alone, making the comparisons with earth-based dictators a perfect and complete one. If on the other hand god dictates morals because he believes to have interpreted them the most accurately, then morality exists independently of god and many brains together can suss them without the help of a fictional bloke in the sky. According to your logic, god is either an intergalactic dictator who despises the democratic process, or he's an intergalactic self-righteous crap head who is rendered unecessary in the search for moral purity. Unbeknown to you, your morals, like mine, derive from human thought processes and decision making.........the only difference is that yours are two thousand years old (and it shows) whilst mine take in to consideration a far greater degree of equality, fairness, empathy and democracy. The fact that non-religious morality has changed over the centuries is the STRENGTH of secular morality, not the weakness of it. Yours are fascist and undemocratic commands, mine actually take the democratic process in to consideration by valuing a range of opinions and sensitivities.

what is better to live an undetermined amount of years in affliction and an eternity in bliss? or to live 100 years comfortably and spend eternity in Hell?

I chose the potential for affliction, and I am offering to you what i asked for myself, in order to find God. I prayed whatever it to Oh, Lord, and He took me through Hell and back. If I pray that for you again you may not have to go through hell and back you may wind up going through heaven and back who knows it all depends on how hard your heart is.

Since there is no evidence for an afterlife (good or bad) the discussion is a worthless one, but given that good, kindly christians who have found god are still struck down with cancer and aids, clearly there is no correlation between religious observance in this life and negative life experiences. Also, as already mentioned, a great many have found god and still do not feel at ease with their life situations, especially those being tortured and raped. It could be worse I suppose, they could have to listen to you bleat on about how god chose to intervene in your life but not theres, that really would be the icing on the cake wouldn't it?

and you know this how? Because God is illusive in your life? Did you maybe consider God in your current state wants nothing to do with you, therefore your experiences are really the standard of the universe you think them to be.
Maybe be if you were humble enough to pray or rather Cry out to God oh, Lord do whatever it takes so that I may see you and talk to you, your experience might be a little different than the nothing your use to getting.
Maybe be even have someone pray this prayer for you as well.

You know I used to be a christian right? I shook it off after my teens because the evidence against the dumb claims made by the idiotic desert authors of the good book were torn to shreds by modern scientific investigation. Even a basic level of enquiry demonstrates that the bible isn't particularly unique, makes no accurate predictions and offers nothing exclusive to help set it apart from any number of other creation-prophet-god myths. In my teenage years I used to read bible stories and pray to god, I never expected to hear a crisp voice in my head replying (although some quacks claim that such things happen) but I at least thought I might see something unexplainable by natural processes. As it stood, nothing miraculous happened that didn't already have a better explanation; exam results, quality of health, family life etc........how on earth am I to be expected to believe that a man in the sky sometimes intervenes in the real world but sometimes doesn't, when there is clearly no correlation between prayer and 'things happening'? Incidentally my life is going pretty ok at the moment, so at the very least we can say that god is completely unecessary to achieve anything in this world, and considering I don't believe in another life (due to lack of evidence) I see no rational reason to change the way I think, especially when the other side has lunatics like your as their cheerleaders, praying for people to get aids and cancer etc. Moron.

The self righteous (Meaning those who find righteousness or morality apart from God) can literally justify ANYthing. Because ultimatly man's morality is always a search to find the lessor of two evils. All one need do is place a greater evil in the room with the evil he is wanting to justify.

Any individual can attempt to justify anything using any sort of reference or argument. What's that got to do with anything? You justify wishing cancer and aids and car accidents on people because apparently a centuries old book from the desert that you hold dear somehow sanctions such wishful thinking. By acknowledging degrees of morality you trap yourself by admitting that god's decrees simply lie on a scale of morality, just like everyone else's opinions. At any given time someone is the tallest person on the planet, but more abstract concepts such as ' most moral' and 'most merciful' are abitrary in a certain sense. The bible is just a written reference like any other document or scribbling. I already touched on the morality paradox above, but it's worth reiterating that the best way to decide right and wrong is to weigh up everyone's opinions so that nobody is left out or persecuted (as regularly happens within and between religious circles). Democray and reasoned debate is the only way to ensure that the sorts of stupid crusades and genocides that have been created by christians and non-christians alike never happen again. I struggle to think of a single 100% democratically sanctioned war crime that ever took place, particularly when considering that by its definition, a war crime omits the views and opinions of those on the receiving end of the crime (whether it be a pro-christian crusade, an anti-jew holocaust or otherwise). Please don't try and use examples of Hitler and Stalin as 'atheist morals gone wrong', as they are quite the opposite. There was virtually no democratic processes involved in the rise to power of the afore mentioned regime leaders. The terrible things that took place under these regimes were the personal will of a minority of a minority, often ultimately leading back to the orders of one man at the very top. It is this dogmatic and unadaptable slavery that links fascism, nazism, stalinism with religious rulings. Whenever you take democracy out of the equation, people suffer. My conclusion is that you hate freedom and democracy, an accusation which I know riles up knee-jerk, right-wing American morons (such as yourself) something terrible.

Also, given the vagueness of the stupid stories in the bible, history shows us that various groups of christians quite literally can JUSTIFY ANYTHING, from slavery, racism, genocide, homicide, rape etc....................so your moral guide isn't as rigid and 'moral' as you might like to think. Again, you're just a moron, sorry mate.