(January 29, 2014 at 9:07 am)Drich Wrote: genesis claim of the age of planet Earth (and the rest of the Universe) ~6000 years.
Just curious.. Where exactly does Genesis make this claim?
Beats me...
People who've read the whole book (maybe it requires the full collection, not just genesis) claim it to be in that order of magnitude.... I go by those who did that work... .usually, they're christians, so I see no reason to doubt the accuracy of that result.
(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote:Did I ever say "cell"?(January 29, 2014 at 7:49 am)pocaracas Wrote: Well, I don't know.That is the exact point - the theory does not tie up with reality. Apart from that, a really substantial amount of information is necessary for a cell to function. This huge amount of information just appeared and exactly right to "create" this organism? This is not logical, not experimentally verified and statistically exceeding "no chance".
But it seems to be the only option available.
Somehow, through a series of events, carbon must have bonded with hydrogen and oxygen, forming carbohydrates (stuff that happens routinely, even today), which then bonded to form proteins and amino-acids and those bonded to form the first self-replicating chains of amino-acids, and thus... life.
It's this last step that science hasn't managed to replicate yet...
Even if they do manage to create self-replicating amino-acids chains... what will prevent anyone from saying "yeah, it's possible to do it like that, but who's to say it really happened like that?"
A cell is a very very advanced mechanism.... so you'd be right in your view that it'd take an extraordinary event for such a mechanism to just pop out of a few atoms...
But I didn't say "cell", now did I?
(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: With them having solved all the issues, I would like to have a pair of wings - traffic congestion is killing me . You will know from objective analysis that all issues have not been resolved. Kindly consider the number of assumptions inherent in any of the theories.I do... and the assumptions that go into the god hypothesis are also going into the pot...
(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote:Well, they may be revising the number to an ever increasing accuracy, but the consensus is in the order of 14by... give or take a few millions.(January 29, 2014 at 7:49 am)pocaracas Wrote: The claim that genesis is wrong?Hi, the actual measured age of the earth is changing (adjusted from time to time as "new evidence" comes to light) but is again dependent upon certain assumptions - like uniformatism and a number of others.
Actual measured age of the universe. ~14 billion years.
actual measured age of the planet Earth. ~4 billion years.
genesis claim of the age of planet Earth (and the rest of the Universe) ~6000 years.
Is that enough, or do you want some more?
It may interest you to read on the accelerating expansion of the universe, dumping a number of assumptions I believe and thus "scientists" have to review their theories.
(January 29, 2014 at 9:10 am)Carnavon Wrote: But on a more serious note - see if you can find "The sovereignty of God" by Arthur Pink. Maybe it is ridiculous of me to ask you to do this, as even "normal" Christians find this book a bit hard, but maybe it will give you an idea of who God is. Televangelists preach such a distorted gospel and I pity people who have to judge Christ by them. I trust you will consider it.
Have a fantastic day!
Does that book make the same mistake as all others I've been advised to read?
Oh, the mistake is to assume, right from the start, that god exists and is very well defined.
Well, if magic exists, anything is possible, and anything can be written about it... the imagination is the limit!
Enjoy your imagination!