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God: No magic required
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RE: God: No magic required
(January 31, 2014 at 6:49 pm)lweisenthal Wrote: I wouldn't assert that theism is the single most effective means of longevity extension or the only path which leads to happiness. I am merely suggesting that it's not illogical to pursue the possibility of "conversion" to theism for benefits

You are assuming, that one could, by force of will (or some other mechanism) start believing in a god. Belief doesn't work that way.

My mind works in such a way that I am unable to believe things for which there is insufficient demonstrable supporting evidence, reasoned argument and valid/sound logic.

I would be completely unable to 'convert to theism' unless the case for the existence of a god met its burden of proof via the above criteria.

Quote:I further suggest that it's useful to consider the plausibility of a higher order of sentient consciousness, based on up to date theories in the field of cosmology.

Interesting that the majority of physicists and cosmologists are atheist. Why aren't they seeing the same thing in those up to date theories as you are?

Most atheists are open to the possibility that a god exists. Plausible no, possible yes.

Quote:Beyond the above (potential for improved state of well being and physical universe plausibility), it's then simply a matter of belief: does one have it or does one not have it?

I do not have to compromise my intellectual honesty by believing something that is unsupported by evidence, in order to improve my well being. It has now been pointed out by several people here of non theistic methods to achieve improved well being, no supernatural beliefs necessary.

Belief is the psychological state in which one accepts a premise or proposition to be true. How does one go about believing something that they don't accept to be true?

Quote:With respect to proving what is "real" (or not) -- well, that has never been within the realm of possibility (proof, that is, either way) and that's where it's likely to remain, no matter how much the likes of you and I may argue about it.

How do you know it will never be within the realm of possibility?

But here's the thing. The atheist position does not require proof that a god does not exist. It is only the position that the case for the existence of a god has not met its burden of proof.

Atheism is not the assertion that a god does not exist. It is the disbelief that a god does exist.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - January 16, 2014 at 9:47 pm
RE: God: No magic required - by Minimalist - January 16, 2014 at 9:50 pm
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RE: God: No magic required - by Darkstar - January 16, 2014 at 10:06 pm
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RE: God: No magic required - by Angrboda - January 16, 2014 at 11:46 pm
RE: God: No magic required - by max-greece - January 17, 2014 at 12:08 am
RE: God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - January 17, 2014 at 4:06 pm
RE: God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - January 17, 2014 at 8:19 pm
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RE: God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - January 18, 2014 at 3:20 pm
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RE: God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - January 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm
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RE: God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - January 31, 2014 at 6:49 pm
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RE: God: No magic required - by lweisenthal - November 8, 2014 at 5:44 pm
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