Pro abortion or not

[EvolutionKills]

Stop acting like saying "fetus" is any less brutal. It's a human, just who hasn't been born yet. And in response to your question, yes. You chose to get pregnant. If you got raped, you should've been more careful. (Not justifying it by any means.) Luckily, I have empathy, so if that was me, I would want to live, or I wouldn't be here right now. Christians are pro-life, but for all the wrong reasons.

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Why?

Because I 1. Have empathy. 2. Am not a bloodthirsty killer.

I'm going to ignore the rape bit for now, and instead just sit back and enjoy watching you be eviscerated by the rest of the forum; or at least the ones with actual empathy.


Are you an organ donor? I am, and if I die and they can use my organs, I want them to be used to prolong the life of another. It is my choice to be an organ donor. If you do not choose to be an organ donor, someone else cannot go against your wishes and harvest your body for usable parts. You may be dead, but the needs and will of others cannot supersede your own control of your own body, even after your death.

So how come you don't want women to have at least as much control over their bodily autonomy as a corpse?


Are you more concerned with all of the potential lives of the unborn? Then your position is inhumane and untenable, because you care more about potential human beings than you do with the ones that already exist. Within the greater picture, if you are truly concerned with human suffering, then the lives of actual woman take precedent over the potential lives of potential humans. Arguing from a zygote's potential gets you nowhere, especially in light of our advances in genetics and cloning. If you argue from a cell's potential, then every time you blow or scratch your nose you are implicated in a holocaust of potential human beings. Every woman's period is the murder of a potential human, every male orgasm that doesn't empty into a fertile vagina is a mass grave of potential human beings.

This position is simply untenable, unless you also plan on making masturbation and sex between infertile couples capitol offenses?


Are you actually interested in lowering the amount of abortions that actually take place? If that is the case, all of the data points to the fact that simply making abortion illegal does not reduce abortion rates; it simply makes the practice far more dangerous. Abortions are a symptom of unwanted pregnancies. So to lower the rate of abortions, you should lower the amount of unwanted pregnancies. The best proven way to do this is to have comprehensive sex education, cheap easy access to contraception, universal healthcare, and a robust social safety net. This allows more people to have sex without becoming pregnant, and will make it easier to raise the baby if she does get pregnant and chooses to keep it.

This has been demonstrated in western Europe, whose abortion rate is much lower than the rest of the world; including the United States. For example, in western Europe the abortion rate is 12 per 1000 woman, in eastern Europe it's 43 per 1000. This is the core of being Pro-Choice, it is to support a woman's right to choose, and supporting them whether they choose to abort the pregnancy or if they choose to carry it to term. This position is the best way to lower the number of abortions and respect the safety and bodily autonomy of women.


If you oppose choice because you want women to be punished for enjoying and consenting to sex (but not pregnancy)? Then you are simply a terrible human being with a warped morality that is far more concerned with judgement and retribution than you are with doing something to effectively lower the number of abortions. This makes you a terrible human being who lacks simple empathy, and your opinion is not worthy of consideration in the discussion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/...l?_r=1&

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_IAW.html