RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
March 27, 2010 at 11:13 pm
(March 27, 2010 at 10:49 pm)tackattack Wrote: sacrifical altruism, relentless curiosity, introspection, trust. I dont deny there have been some solid research in kin selection on some of these points. I don't deny that most, if not all, were accounted for by survivability. I don't think it's coinsidence that we're designed for survivability. Why wold a creation striving toward evolution to transcendence not need survivability as an ingredient. I'm not farmiliar with the timeline of necessity for evolutionary biology, but I'd like to do some personal reseach on the subject. My question would be how long would it take a species of self-serving mammals to form a society then develop altruism?
As far as athesits having no basis for morality; I think people (atheists and theists) have a common intuitive basis for morality skewed by society and nuturing . I think we all have the potential to be more alike and less unique than is commonly accepted.
correct me if i'm wrong but your question seems to assume that society should come before altruism. If i'm correct in my interpretation, I see altruism coming before what we call society. *looks up definition of 'society' on onelook.com.
▸ noun: an extended social group having a distinctive cultural and economic organization
▸ noun: the fashionable elite
▸ noun: a formal association of people with similar interests ("They formed a small lunch society")
▸ noun: the state of being with someone ("He enjoyed the society of his friends")
if you were referring to society as in the first definition, I believe altruism is simpler than society. if you refer to 'society' as in the third or last definition, I see altruism and society as one. We aren't the only species that demonstrates altruism. Whale hunters knew this when they would wound a baby whale knowing that its family would respond to its distress. I would call the adult whales response to their offsprings' cries 'altruism'.
From what I've read, our species took about 90,000 years to civilize (e.i. the first definition of society). We have only started thoroughly recording our history for what? 200 years?
Quote:As far as athesits having no basis for morality; I think people (atheists and theists) have a common intuitive basis for morality skewed by society and nuturingYeah, you know what the consequences of killing someone else is, now you go to jail, but if it weren't for today's justice system then humans would respond in the same way as whales of course and seek revenge (inspiring Moby Dick), an eye for an eye.