RE: What the God debate is really about
March 10, 2014 at 9:17 am
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2014 at 9:19 am by MindForgedManacle.)
(March 9, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Rayaan Wrote: If reality is entirely self-organizing, then you should agree that our own consciousness is not separate but that it is already embedded within the total, unified self-organizing system and therefore it is not confined to our brains only (nor any particular region of space, for that matter). Consciousness would not be something "emergent" in the universe, but rather inherent.
Woah, wait, what? Slippery slope bro. Reality being self-organizing would not entail consciousness not being an emergent property of brains. It would just mean that this self-organization can bring about complex phenomena, not that it is ontologically fundamental. Quantum systems are always interacting and yet it is still perfectly sensible to talk about the interactions of separate quantum systems and the emergent properties of those systems that are not present in the lower levels of reality, such as entropy.
Quote:And if that is not so, then there has to be an external agent. But either way, you can't eliminate consciousness as being the initial/fundamental state of reality.
Bare assertion and a stupid one at that. Or are you going to present your argument for the truth of metaphysical idealism and your refutation of metaphysical realism? I'm waiting.
Quote:I posted plenty more thoughts on this topic in my Order vs. Randomness thread.
If your post here is any indication, I shudder to venture there.
