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What the God debate is really about
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RE: What the God debate is really about
(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Religion is not the only culprit here. Atheist members blur those lines all the time.
Knowledge comes from reason applied to experience. People need first principles in order to gain knowledge. First principles include:

1) There is only one reality.
The counter-factual to this, unless stated as a form of the non-contradiction principle, includes the many worlds hypothesis.

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 2) Our senses do not deceive us.
The counter-factual of this is not self-refuting. Our senses deceive us. Nothing contradictory there.

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 3) Sound reasoning yields truths about reality.
The counter-factual of this is paradoxical, but not self-refuting. It's a variant of the liar's paradox.

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 4) Truths about reality are universal; they do not vary between individuals
Arguably acceptable. (What it means for something to be a truth about reality is important; in the many-worlds hypothesis, this may not hold.)

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 5) Knowledge requires someone that knows.
Heavily dependent on what you mean by knowledge and someone. Is a valid sentence in a hypothetical interpretive system knowledge?

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 6) Something that is cannot also not be.
This is not self-refuting under dialetheism.

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 7) Out of nothing, nothing comes.
There are multiple counter-factuals here, none of them self-refuting.

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: 8) That which does not begin cannot have an end, i.e. infinite regress.
Unclear; "that which did not begin has an end." At the least, it's not obviously self-refuting.

(March 11, 2014 at 2:10 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Counterfactuals of the above refute themselves.
False.
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What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm
What the God debate is really about - by Rampant.A.I. - March 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 9, 2014 at 3:01 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 12:40 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 1:23 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 9, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 9, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 12:27 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 8:19 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 10:28 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Silver - March 10, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 10, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 11:36 pm
What the God debate is really about - by Rampant.A.I. - March 10, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 11, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 11, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Angrboda - March 11, 2014 at 8:33 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 11, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 12, 2014 at 2:00 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 12, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Angrboda - March 14, 2014 at 8:30 pm

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