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What the God debate is really about
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RE: What the God debate is really about
(March 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm)Rayaan Wrote: So you're saying that it is the high entropy that leads to the emergence of very complex things.

Yep.

Quote:But in my opinion, it sounds highly counter-intuitive that the concept of entropy (i.e. the tendency to go from being orderly to disorderly) is the source of complexity, considering the fact that there is innumerably more ways to be more disordered than to be ordered as you just wrote above. I just don't understand how that makes sense. And secondly, to my knowledge, scientists don't actually know what exactly causes complexity to arise. Complexity is still a mystery which many scientists are investigating and thinking about.

Lots of things are counter-intuitive. The philosophical stance by te physics community that absolute simultaneity is bunk is perhaps more counter-intuitive, yet well-evidenced vis-a-vis Special Relativity and the Michelson-Morley experiment.

But think about it. If I remember correctly, current cosmological models say that that the elements created at the Big Bang were just Hydrogen and Helium, the 2 most atomically simple elements. We didn't get the heavier elements until they were forged in the cores of massive stars and expunged via supernovae. So amongst this entropically increasing system, we get the more complex elements as entropy increases (which itself is how time's "arrow" is determined) and only then. So I think scientists would give the rough answer I have.

Quote:Now the coolest thing is ... well, I don't know if you'll believe what I'm about to tell you, but I have a severe form of "hand tremors" which sometimes cause my fingers to move up and down like crazy: I just sat and I simply put my hand on top of the keyboard, and then my fingers started moving up and down on the keyboard. Somehow the chaotic movement of my fingers produced all the words that you see in this post right now. Amazing, right?

Sure I guess. :p

Quote:I mean, it's a statistical fact that there is innumerably more ways for this post to have been a meaningless string of letters than to be coherent. But, apparently, it turned out to be the exact opposite. Can you believe that?

^ The improbability of that happening is too ... damn ... high!!!

:S

Because living beings, given the capability of intentionality, can lower the entropy of some particular area, while still increasing the total entropy overall. And in fact, physics defines information as a decrease in the entropy of a particular system (or thereabouts), which creating messages like you did does. Wink
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What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 1:08 pm
What the God debate is really about - by Rampant.A.I. - March 9, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 9, 2014 at 3:01 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 3:29 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 12:40 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 1:23 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by fr0d0 - March 9, 2014 at 5:02 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 9, 2014 at 6:19 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 9, 2014 at 6:23 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 9, 2014 at 10:04 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 12:27 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 8:19 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 9:05 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 10:28 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 4:10 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Silver - March 10, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 10, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 10, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 10, 2014 at 9:55 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 10, 2014 at 11:36 pm
What the God debate is really about - by Rampant.A.I. - March 10, 2014 at 10:40 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by *Deidre* - March 11, 2014 at 12:10 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Whateverist - March 11, 2014 at 10:30 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by MindForgedManacle - March 11, 2014 at 11:10 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Angrboda - March 11, 2014 at 8:33 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 11, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Mudhammam - March 12, 2014 at 2:00 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Rayaan - March 12, 2014 at 5:01 am
RE: What the God debate is really about - by Angrboda - March 14, 2014 at 8:30 pm

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