RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
April 3, 2010 at 7:18 pm
(April 3, 2010 at 5:19 pm)tackattack Wrote: As for the comparison: Do you, as a self-asware entity, consider yourself your parts or the sum of those parts? Probably the latter, "I am me". If god exists, and is self-aware, and on top of that incorporeal, why could you even suppose he has any parts, or sees himself any different. That's why I consider God to be one entity. Because of science we understand some of the laws, axioms and rules of the universe (or suppose them with great support) and compartmentalize that knowledge. I can't help but see it as it's parts. I though research was done that chows the universe started with the big bang and had an end in entropy, so I can't call it eternal either btw.Why could I suppose that God has parts? Because my rational mind longs for explanation, and I cannot accept that any "self-aware" being doesn't have a reason for being self-aware. For me, there must at least be the "thinking part" of God and the "action part" of God. I should point out at this point that we've both turned towards personal incredulity at this point. My inability to think of God as one single entity and your inability to think of the universe as one single entity are interesting, though ultimately irrelevant things
Oh, and as far as research goes, we know the universe had an expansion, and it is theorized that this expansion was also the expansion of time. What the universe was at the moment of the Big Bang, whether it existed (in a timeless state) before that, or how the Big Bang happened is currently unknown. The Big Bang is an event in the history of the universe, not how the universe came into being.
Quote:The logical step problem is a little dificult. I didn't bring up the God of the Gaps, or who created God arguements. I don't suppose God didn't have a creator, idk if he did or not, or whether he even needed to. God could be an interdimensional, super advanced and incorporeal alien that had a mommy and daddy alien, idk. From our perspective within this universe though, what could have created the universe or disrupted the quantum singularity or even made the singularity should be as far as we could go. To regress into the circular arguement of who created God is irrelevant, faulty and your point, not mine. I didn't even allude that God is eternal, just that he existed outside of space-time prior to the bigbang.Why should it be as far as we should go? I'm sorry but that just seems to me to be an argument *for* ignorance. So we don't need to know what caused the cause because we make the assumption that God is causeless? I respectfully disagree; I think that argument must be made...it is helpful in showing that placing the answer as "God" doesn't help the original question, it only lengthens it.