RE: Christians, what is your VERY BEST arguments for the existence of God?
April 4, 2010 at 6:00 am
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2010 at 7:00 am by roundsquare.)
TAVARISH thanks for responding. now i have to observe that your points just keep getting accentric, and im also sensing a bit fury in the way you r expressing yourself. look im not here to gun for you so dont look @ me as n enemy we r both human beings, lets just enjoy a nice friendly discussion.
KCA: SHOWING counter examples of spurious deduction does not in anyway take away from the kca, accept maybe in your head. you have to tackle the kca on its own merits, because not all deduction is erroneous. you attempted to do by stating that energy had always existed and to give a boost to your statement you cited the law of conservation of energy. what this shows is your ignorance regarding the big bang. the big bang doesnt contravene the energy laws by holding that energy was created which you disagree with, because the energy laws only apply within the universe, just like gravity this is a physical law and has no application outside the physical universe. the physical laws govern everything in spacetime, not the origin of spacetime itself. energy requires a medium e.g. vacuum. there was however no vacuum, no space prior to the the big bang. there was a point when all the distances in the universe was shrunk to zero. thus in short the law is not violated by the big bang because the whole spacetime arena in which it holds came into being.
The law only holds for isolated systems like the universe, which did not exist prior to the singularity, because there was no universe no isolated system, no system at all.
KCA: SHOWING counter examples of spurious deduction does not in anyway take away from the kca, accept maybe in your head. you have to tackle the kca on its own merits, because not all deduction is erroneous. you attempted to do by stating that energy had always existed and to give a boost to your statement you cited the law of conservation of energy. what this shows is your ignorance regarding the big bang. the big bang doesnt contravene the energy laws by holding that energy was created which you disagree with, because the energy laws only apply within the universe, just like gravity this is a physical law and has no application outside the physical universe. the physical laws govern everything in spacetime, not the origin of spacetime itself. energy requires a medium e.g. vacuum. there was however no vacuum, no space prior to the the big bang. there was a point when all the distances in the universe was shrunk to zero. thus in short the law is not violated by the big bang because the whole spacetime arena in which it holds came into being.
The law only holds for isolated systems like the universe, which did not exist prior to the singularity, because there was no universe no isolated system, no system at all.
Quote:Some minds are like concrete thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
