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Is Unbelief Possible?
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RE: Is Unbelief Possible?
(March 20, 2014 at 7:48 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote:
(March 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm)Chuck Wrote: One should not become so sceptical that once would shy away from making operating assumptions necessary to get things done. But one should not preserve those assumptions when evidence becomes clear that they were incorrect.

Precisely

I agree. At that point it becomes prideful, ignorant, and dogmatic. Accounting for human error, and human mistake is the only way to proceed on a path towards truth.

(March 20, 2014 at 7:41 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(March 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm)Hezekiah Wrote: My greatest fear is that general belief is a trap. That the person urns to trust his surronding or cling on to something, and truthfully there is nothing to cling to. That because there are bad beliefs, belief might be tainted. And anything tainted is imperfect, not reliable, or trustworthy. In other words, belief being a trap that has swallowed humanity for countless centuries.


Unintentional. My definition of belief is simple trust. My definition of faith is believing/trusting something that has no evidence. I may be walking a fine line between skepticism here.


Once you adopted a trust without grounding in comprehensively assessed evidence, perhaps out of some perception of private convenience or advantage, do you untrust yourself when confronted with contrary evidence?

If you do, then the belief is not a trap. If you don't, then it is a trap.

Faith is a trap. Belief is not necessarily a trap.

You make a good point. I agree. I'll elaborate just a bit why I sparked this question: As I'm sure you may already know, Charles Sanders Price coined the phrase, "phaneron" a world filtered through our senses. Which is different from what reality actually is. This struck me because if I were to trust anything, I would have to accept the information through my faulty brain and senses ("faulty" because of optical illusions, tactile illusion, etc. Illusions able to trick the mind). So I immediately began to realize, I can't entirely trust myself in my quest for truth. I won't drone on too much, but long story short, everything is filtered through a three-pound piece of meat called a brain and I began to ask the question, "if I can't trust myself, who or what can I trust" and that's what lead me to the idea of God. Now I'm not trying to convince you of anything but rather just give you a peak into my journey so far, and maybe get some critique (which I have thankfully been getting a great deal of!)
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Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 6:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 20, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 21, 2014 at 8:27 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 21, 2014 at 11:09 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Tonus - March 20, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Bob Kelso - March 20, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Faith No More - March 20, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 20, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by *Deidre* - March 20, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cato - March 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by professor - March 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 20, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mr. Moncrieff - March 20, 2014 at 7:08 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:13 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by llwynog - March 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Faith No More - March 20, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Tonus - March 20, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by llwynog - March 20, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by KichigaiNeko - March 20, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rossrocks88 - March 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 7:41 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 20, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Simon Moon - March 20, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 20, 2014 at 7:38 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by KichigaiNeko - March 20, 2014 at 7:43 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by KichigaiNeko - March 20, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 20, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Minimalist - March 21, 2014 at 12:34 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 12:50 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 21, 2014 at 12:55 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Minimalist - March 21, 2014 at 12:52 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 12:58 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Minimalist - March 21, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Alex K - March 21, 2014 at 5:21 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 21, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Whateverist - March 21, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 1:32 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 21, 2014 at 1:35 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by max-greece - March 21, 2014 at 2:52 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by fr0d0 - March 21, 2014 at 3:41 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by fr0d0 - March 21, 2014 at 6:10 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 21, 2014 at 4:34 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 4:37 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by MindForgedManacle - March 21, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Alex K - March 21, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by ThePinsir - March 21, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mister Agenda - March 21, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 22, 2014 at 1:47 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Esquilax - March 22, 2014 at 2:05 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Is Unbelief Possible? - by Rampant.A.I. - March 21, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 2:10 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 7:58 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 22, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 22, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by downbeatplumb - March 22, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Is Unbelief Possible? - by Rampant.A.I. - March 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 8:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Zen Badger - March 22, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:40 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:29 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 23, 2014 at 3:35 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 22, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Is Unbelief Possible? - by Rampant.A.I. - March 22, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 7:12 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Esquilax - March 23, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 23, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Esquilax - March 23, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by SteelCurtain - March 23, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by SteelCurtain - March 23, 2014 at 10:54 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 1:41 pm

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