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Is Unbelief Possible?
RE: Is Unbelief Possible?
(March 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm)psychoslice Wrote:
(March 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm)tor Wrote: Do you need to jump into the sun to see what's going on in there?
Or you can accept that hydrogen is fused into helium?

Yes I know through experience that the sun is hot, and what makes it hot doesn't matter to me, its interesting, but it doesn't matter.

I agree, I think you make a good point. Something can't truly be known, and irrevocably** true unless experience is had. You might be able to go on and say that because of this, the purest form of knowledge or knowing is experience.

At that point I would guess that belief would not only not be needed, but it may not even be existent to any degree. Belief is needed until experience is had.

However in the case of ignorance- like if someone has zero knowledge that the experience exists, and then suddenly the experience happens (for example: a surprise party, an unexpected gift, etc.), belief never existed, and in that case true unbelief has taken place because no aspect of the surprise event was concieved on any level.

Assuming all this one step further, belief stems from knowledge. Without knowledge of any sort belief would have no foundation for existence. Belief can be based off of our experienced-knowledge or our belief-knowledge. Knowledge firm in theories, ideas and consepts - or Knowledge firm in personal experience.

But maybe I'm not making any sense. Big Grin

**(maybe not entirely "irrevocable" but not ultimately true because false or fabricated experiences are not impossible.)

EDIT:

After re-reading I had a change of heart. I don't think Belief is non-existent when experience is had but strengthened. Belief is still to be had since false experience can be had (for example: a friend tricking you into believing a story of his. Or making you think there's someone behind you, and you believe it enough to turn around, but there's no one there. You believed you were experiencing someone behind you watching you, when none of that was true at all.) Because you based your belief in a concept or idea, it was more likely to fail you. Base your belief in experience and its much less likely, but still liable to fail. Therefore, if belief was placed in the idea of something perfect outside our own potential to corrupt (or affect) it, you've accounted for human error in quest for 100% pure unadulterated truth.

But I'm just tossing out ideas. Thoughts?
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Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 6:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 20, 2014 at 6:52 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 21, 2014 at 8:27 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 21, 2014 at 11:09 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Tonus - March 20, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Bob Kelso - March 20, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Faith No More - March 20, 2014 at 6:56 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 20, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by *Deidre* - March 20, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cato - March 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by professor - March 20, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 20, 2014 at 7:04 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 20, 2014 at 7:05 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mr. Moncrieff - March 20, 2014 at 7:08 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:13 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by llwynog - March 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Faith No More - March 20, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Tonus - March 20, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by llwynog - March 20, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by KichigaiNeko - March 20, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 20, 2014 at 7:19 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rossrocks88 - March 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:34 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 7:41 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 20, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Simon Moon - March 20, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 20, 2014 at 7:38 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by KichigaiNeko - March 20, 2014 at 7:43 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by KichigaiNeko - March 20, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 20, 2014 at 7:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Anomalocaris - March 20, 2014 at 11:41 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 20, 2014 at 11:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Minimalist - March 21, 2014 at 12:34 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 12:50 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 21, 2014 at 12:55 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Minimalist - March 21, 2014 at 12:52 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 12:58 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Minimalist - March 21, 2014 at 12:59 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 1:11 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Alex K - March 21, 2014 at 5:21 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Cyberman - March 21, 2014 at 1:02 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 1:13 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Whateverist - March 21, 2014 at 1:29 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 1:32 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by rexbeccarox - March 21, 2014 at 1:35 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by max-greece - March 21, 2014 at 2:52 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by fr0d0 - March 21, 2014 at 3:41 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 3:45 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by fr0d0 - March 21, 2014 at 6:10 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Fidel_Castronaut - March 21, 2014 at 4:34 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 21, 2014 at 4:37 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by MindForgedManacle - March 21, 2014 at 8:40 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Alex K - March 21, 2014 at 8:46 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by ThePinsir - March 21, 2014 at 9:12 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mister Agenda - March 21, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 21, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 22, 2014 at 1:47 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Esquilax - March 22, 2014 at 2:05 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Is Unbelief Possible? - by Rampant.A.I. - March 21, 2014 at 11:50 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 2:10 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 7:58 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 5:31 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 22, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:22 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:25 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:29 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:32 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:35 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:42 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:45 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 22, 2014 at 1:48 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 1:52 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by My imaginary friend is GOD - March 22, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 22, 2014 at 1:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by downbeatplumb - March 22, 2014 at 1:55 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Is Unbelief Possible? - by Rampant.A.I. - March 22, 2014 at 5:53 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 7:27 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 8:19 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 8:33 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 8:37 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:02 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Zen Badger - March 22, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:40 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 9:54 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:07 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:29 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:34 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 23, 2014 at 3:35 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Mudhammam - March 22, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by tor - March 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by psychoslice - March 22, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Is Unbelief Possible? - by Rampant.A.I. - March 22, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 7:12 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Esquilax - March 23, 2014 at 8:54 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 23, 2014 at 10:59 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 9:52 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Esquilax - March 23, 2014 at 10:37 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by SteelCurtain - March 23, 2014 at 10:16 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 10:21 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by SteelCurtain - March 23, 2014 at 10:54 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 11:48 am
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Hezekiah - March 23, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Is Unbelief Possible? - by Belev2Know - March 23, 2014 at 1:41 pm

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