RE: God: No magic required
April 2, 2014 at 1:20 am
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2014 at 1:20 am by max-greece.)
Hello Larry - welcome back.
Just a few things:
Actually you have every possible arrangement of atoms - not every conceivable arrangement. These are not synonymous. Fire breathing dragons may be conceivable but not actually possible for all we know.
Well we need to be careful with infinity. Theoretically there could be any number of super-intelligences that may be in direct, or indirect, communication with everything in their universe - but in others? That we do not know.
The thing is that if there are universes with God then there are universes without one. As God is no longer the required creator God I'm not sure he(?) is even God anymore. It might be we've just disproved the creator God hypothesis.
In your infinite series of universes it is not impossible for a universe to exist where there is no God (or not one in contact, possible for reasons of choice) where there are also sentient beings that think they are communicating with him, gaining benefit but are actually talking to themselves.
I am yet to meet anyone who militantly denies the possibility of God. I have met many people who, for lack of evidence, conclude the probability to be low, possibly very, very low.
Just a few things:
Quote:Once you move out 10^10^29 meters from earth, you have every conceivable arrangement of atoms, both qualitatively and in terms of geometry. Beyond that point, you begin to duplicate things. Once you've doubled this distance, you've got an exact duplicate of everything that ever existed, including you and me. Explanation defies concise summary; if interested start with the above link and move on from there (additional links are on my website, which I'm not permitted to cite on this forum, as it is considered to be "advertising").
Actually you have every possible arrangement of atoms - not every conceivable arrangement. These are not synonymous. Fire breathing dragons may be conceivable but not actually possible for all we know.
Quote:The point is, that, in an infinite universe, you will inevitably have super-sentient Boltzmann brains, comprised of both ordinary and dark matter and ordinary and dark energy. It is a mathematical certainty. In infinite parallel universes, you will inevitably have exotic forms of energy, in infinite configurations, also producing Boltzmann brains with powers and capabilities unimaginable on a human scale. This is also a mathematical certainty.
Well we need to be careful with infinity. Theoretically there could be any number of super-intelligences that may be in direct, or indirect, communication with everything in their universe - but in others? That we do not know.
The thing is that if there are universes with God then there are universes without one. As God is no longer the required creator God I'm not sure he(?) is even God anymore. It might be we've just disproved the creator God hypothesis.
Quote:I and literally billions of other people regularly talk to God. In my own case, I needed physical science plausibility to make the sincere effort which is required. Most other people simply need simple faith to make the effort. It works -- unquestionably works.
In your infinite series of universes it is not impossible for a universe to exist where there is no God (or not one in contact, possible for reasons of choice) where there are also sentient beings that think they are communicating with him, gaining benefit but are actually talking to themselves.
Quote:I personally think that militant denial of God has now become simply another form of neo-luddism.
I am yet to meet anyone who militantly denies the possibility of God. I have met many people who, for lack of evidence, conclude the probability to be low, possibly very, very low.
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