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Faith Vs Knowledge
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RE: Faith Vs Knowledge
(April 2, 2014 at 3:20 am)max-greece Wrote:


This is an interesting turn around on what an atheist like myself sees as the inconsistency of God. He appears to some, but not to others. If your interpretation is correct then one would naturally expect that anyone who truly believes WILL get this knowledge confirmation.
I would say yes He provides knowledge though not always through a physical appearance. God spoke to Abraham, Christ appeared to some after His resurrection, today we rely on the completeness of His word.
(April 2, 2014 at 3:20 am)max-greece Wrote: The point of bringing up Mother Teresa is that, according to her diaries, she suffered doubts simply because that confirmation was not forthcoming. It appears that she never got it. As she is a candidate for Sainthood this is odd - and at odds with your interpretation.
Why do you conclude that she is a candidate for Sainthood?
(April 2, 2014 at 3:20 am)max-greece Wrote: It appears that there are some with genuine belief who are sentenced to a life-time of no-proof. This seems incredibly unfair of God, don't you think?
As you have this written yes it would seem incredibly unfair. To be sure it is in fact unfair one must determine the truth value of your initial premise: "It appears that there are some with genuine belief who are sentenced to a life-time of no-proof." Does the appearance of genuine belief equal genuine belief? Does the Bible make a distinction?
(April 2, 2014 at 3:20 am)max-greece Wrote: It is my opinion that absolute confidence and/or the "knowledge" of God is a delusion based on this evidence - even ignoring all of the other issues that an Atheist might raise.
If God doesn't exist such knowledge cannot be had.
If God does exist such knowledge could only be had if God was spectacularly inconsistent and very un-godlike in his behaviour.
Do you see what I am saying now?
I think I understand your argument. I've organized a formal argument below, please review it and let me know if it is accurate.
Premise 1: Faith in God produces knowledge of God's existence.
Premise 2: Some people have faith in God but without knowledge of God's existence.
Premise 3: If God doesn't exist, then there is no knowledge of God's existence.
Conclusion: If God does exist, knowledge of His existence could only be had if God is not consistent.
(April 3, 2014 at 7:52 am)archangle Wrote: Why can't they have the traits wrong?

To clarify, what do you mean by traits?
(April 3, 2014 at 7:52 am)archangle Wrote: This withholding thing. I would say that if there was a god he/she would withhold nothing.
In fact ... he would show us as fast as we can.

To clarify when you say 'withhold nothing' do you mean a knowledge of His existence or do you mean God would literally give us everything? Why do you conclude that God would withhold nothing?

If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?



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Messages In This Thread
Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 1, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Esquilax - April 1, 2014 at 5:36 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Little Rik - April 1, 2014 at 5:49 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 1, 2014 at 11:51 am
Faith Vs Knowledge - by Rampant.A.I. - April 1, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Tonus - April 1, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Minimalist - April 1, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - April 8, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Napoléon - April 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2014 at 1:14 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Silver - April 1, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by YahwehIsTheWay - April 1, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 1, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 1, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Silver - April 1, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 1, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Silver - April 1, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 2, 2014 at 1:19 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by MJ the Skeptical - April 4, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 1, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by truthBtold - April 1, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 2, 2014 at 3:20 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 2, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Severan - April 2, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 7:52 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 3, 2014 at 8:15 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 6:47 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 3, 2014 at 7:00 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 3, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Tonus - April 4, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Faith Vs Knowledge - by Rampant.A.I. - April 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 3, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 3, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 3, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 3, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 3, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 4, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 4, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Alex K - April 4, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by truthBtold - April 4, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by MJ the Skeptical - April 4, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 4, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Tonus - April 8, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 5, 2014 at 1:58 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 9, 2014 at 9:29 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Alex K - April 5, 2014 at 2:04 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Clueless Morgan - April 8, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 5, 2014 at 6:25 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 8, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm

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