RE: WLC free will and omniscience
April 5, 2014 at 6:54 pm
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2014 at 6:54 pm by fr0d0.)
(April 5, 2014 at 1:58 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: Again, you are missing the point. Let me lay this out for you in, ah, a deductive form:
Quote:1) If God exists, his omniscience includes knowledge of future events.
2) God's knowledge of future events entails the truth of determinism, otherwise God could not have actual knowledge of what the future held.
3) If determinism is true, then libertarian free will is false.
4) God exists.
5) Therefore, libertarian free will is false. (from 1 - 4).
Which of these do you deny? You already agreed with 1). 2) and 3) are true by definition of the terms involved. Clearly you accept 4). Hence, 5) follows deductively for you but not for someone like, say, Chad who rejects 1)
1 is an unknown, as Chad has illustrated. I err on the side of future knowledge.
2 is true only in Gods realm, and not for time bound beings. It would be a fallacy to conflate the two. Determinism is some mixed up hooie.
3 is therefore nonsense
4 I believe this. I don't 'know'
5 libertarian free will exists in its own domain which is independent of a timeless perspective. It is correctly called free agency.