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Faith Vs Knowledge
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RE: Faith Vs Knowledge
(April 4, 2014 at 7:28 pm)professor Wrote: Alex, this is an assumption on my part- they were created with no bias toward good or evil and made a definite choice to follow the words of the snake.
When you think about it, that was the natural reaction of a person who had no concept of good or evil, and who simply did as she was told. Given an opportunity to make her own choice once a crucial barrier (fear of consequences) had been removed, she had no reason to be concerned about taking the fruit.

Thus, the problem was that a talking serpent was allowed to enter the garden and speak to Eve. Presumably, to this point the only beings able to talk would have been the two humans and god, and perhaps any messengers he sent. As long as god was there to tell them what to do, there was no issue with them not knowing what was good or evil. Why did god abandon Eve to the tender mercies of the serpent if he knew that she did not have the necessary instincts or knowledge to reject his offer?

(April 5, 2014 at 1:58 am)orangebox21 Wrote: So the argument is:
Premise 1. Faith is believing that God will do what He has said.
Premise 2. Belief in God is not a matter of faith.
Premise 3. Belief in God is a matter of God revealing himself to people directly and physically.
Premise 4. If God has revealed himself to people directly and physically for thousands of years then He is able to do the same now.
Conclusion. If God does not reveal himself to people directly and physically now then He does not exist.

Is this a fair and accurate representation of your argument?
Yes, I think that sums it up well. And yes, "belief" is more accurate than "faith" in my last sentence.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 1, 2014 at 5:26 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Esquilax - April 1, 2014 at 5:36 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Little Rik - April 1, 2014 at 5:49 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 1, 2014 at 11:51 am
Faith Vs Knowledge - by Rampant.A.I. - April 1, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Tonus - April 1, 2014 at 12:26 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Minimalist - April 1, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Anomalocaris - April 8, 2014 at 5:38 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Napoléon - April 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 1, 2014 at 1:14 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 3:33 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2014 at 4:01 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 4:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 5:56 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Silver - April 1, 2014 at 12:57 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by YahwehIsTheWay - April 1, 2014 at 1:09 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 1, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 1, 2014 at 1:46 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Silver - April 1, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 1, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Silver - April 1, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 2, 2014 at 1:19 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by MJ the Skeptical - April 4, 2014 at 2:59 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 1, 2014 at 2:00 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by truthBtold - April 1, 2014 at 7:35 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 2, 2014 at 3:20 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 2, 2014 at 11:13 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Severan - April 2, 2014 at 11:30 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 7:52 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 3, 2014 at 8:15 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by fr0d0 - April 3, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 3, 2014 at 6:47 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 3, 2014 at 7:00 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 3, 2014 at 7:15 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Tonus - April 4, 2014 at 12:32 pm
Faith Vs Knowledge - by Rampant.A.I. - April 3, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 3, 2014 at 8:17 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Chas - April 3, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 3, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 3, 2014 at 9:04 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by ShaMan - April 3, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 3, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 4, 2014 at 12:44 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 4, 2014 at 6:39 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Alex K - April 4, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by truthBtold - April 4, 2014 at 6:59 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by MJ the Skeptical - April 4, 2014 at 7:20 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 4, 2014 at 7:28 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Tonus - April 8, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 5, 2014 at 1:58 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by archangle - April 9, 2014 at 9:29 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Alex K - April 5, 2014 at 2:04 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by Clueless Morgan - April 8, 2014 at 10:35 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by max-greece - April 5, 2014 at 6:25 am
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by professor - April 8, 2014 at 5:33 pm
RE: Faith Vs Knowledge - by orangebox21 - April 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm

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