(April 13, 2014 at 10:28 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:(April 13, 2014 at 4:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: A "great price" would be not existing before you are born, then dying on a beach in France fighting fascism without the expectation of personal fame or ass kissing, dying on that beach and never coming back or becoming famous.
Jesus is a man/God so according to them he was around for eternity prior to his human form, is only in physical pain for a few hours, then goes right back to being a God without staying dead. That seems more like a pin prick, a slight inconvenience. And on top of not being a sacrifice why does he do it? For his own self glorification. Hardly selfless and completely narcissistic.
Before the cross Jesus was still glorious and worthy of praise and woship just for being God and Creator.
(April 13, 2014 at 10:23 pm)tor Wrote: Very good point. God could eradicate world hunger with no effort in less than 1 nanosecond. He is omnipotent after all. We are back to the problem of evil. For a millionth time.
He gave free willed humans plenty on His planet so that no one starves.
(April 13, 2014 at 9:28 pm)Beccs Wrote: The thing is, many atheists, particularly former believers, like myself, have read the whole bible objectively, which helped us become atheists. The believers generally read it through their god glasses, and usually not the whole thing - just the sections they agree with and think should apply to them.
There have been several people who went out to disprove the Bible and landed up becoming fervent believers.
No doubt.
That doesn't make those who deconverted any less relevant.
However, I will say that those who gave up after reading the bible are far more numerous.
There are those, Christians included, who have set out to disprove the Koran who have ended up converting to Islam.
I would say, generally, that atheists are more knowledgable of the bible than many Christians.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
