(May 9, 2014 at 12:16 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: But you can prove something true about existence by applying reason to experience independent of what one hopes to find.
Not really. I mean, that can help form a predictive model replete with falsifiability, or to help you interpret the evidence, but you don't ever prove something to be objectively real by applying subjective reason to subjective experience. We're too cognitively impaired and too prone to bias to ever reach the truth using that method exclusively.
Quote:Your psychological speculations about believers do not apply to all.
I never once said they did.
Quote: I was an atheist but reluctantly accepted the reality of God when confronted with specific philosophical problems.
Sounds like you got suckered by an argument from ignorance, then. Because when I read "philosophical problems" there, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, what I see is yet more negative reasoning. Would these philosophical problems be the same ones you keep trying to assail us with? Because if they are, then you became a theist because somebody poked holes in a "secular" worldview, you didn't have an answer, and so therefore god, which... is not compelling. It's an argument from ignorance, in fact; you can poke hole after hole in one thing, but that doesn't make another automatically true.
That's enough speculation for now, though. I'm sure you'll come back with more.
Quote: Just because someone reaches a different conclusion than you does not always mean they must be delutional, weak, or stupid. Maybe they're merely wrong. And just maybe you are wrong.
I always remember that possibility, of course. But these arguments from necessity are so laughable that I fail to see them convincing anyone without some form of pre-existing attachment to the idea of a god. I think you're editorializing a bit by adding in all that stuff about delusions and weakness and stupidity, which I also never said, though. All I said was "personal," in that they're being clouded by some bias or another. It happens to everyone at least once.
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