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God - a study in pointlessness.
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RE: God - a study in pointlessness.
(May 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Subhan Ahmad Wrote:
(May 10, 2014 at 7:33 pm)pocaracas Wrote: What doesn't make sense to me is: Why is faith a requirement?
Why the need for a book?... specially a book that comes after other similar books already exist...

Brother imagine one thing. You go to your employer. Tell him to his face that you don't believe that he is your employer and you start doing your work against all the standard operating procedures. Do you think you will remain part of the company for long?
There's a contract that defines very well who is the employer and who is the employee...
In the case of a god, however... one of the sides is very sketchy!

(May 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Subhan Ahmad Wrote: Faith is very important brother for any system to work. Tell me does any system works if you don't have confidence and trust on it?

You don't even get a software if you don't agree to the terms and agreements.
Can you even live in a country without abiding to its laws ?

Again tell me honestly if all this system does turn out to be true, do you really think a faithful and the unfaithful should be equal in front of God? If God does exits and treats both the believer and the unbeliever equally then this is a big injustice.
In this context, "faith" and "trust" are two very distinct concepts.
Trust is sort of my assumption that someone else will (notice the future tense) behave as previously agreed. This assumption is usually weighed by experience with that someone else.


Faith is the blind acceptance that what someone unknown claims is true. Ultimately, regarding the claim of the existence of a god, it is the blind acceptance that such a being exists (notice the present tense).

(May 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Subhan Ahmad Wrote: Quran says
I don't care what your preferred holy book has written in it.
Whatever it is, it was written by some person. Possibly, some person very knowledgeable of human psychology, even if only by experience, rendering your understanding of what is written exactly what that person intended... but it's not necessarily an honest, truthful or accurate depiction of reality.
It is what you want to hear.

(May 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm)Subhan Ahmad Wrote:
(May 10, 2014 at 7:33 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Why the need for a book?... specially a book that comes after other similar books already exist...
That is good that you realized the similarity. Since the beginning, human beings have been tested with the message that was essentially the same. And the message was conveyed through the prophet at the given time. Every time the prophet passed away and the true message got corrupted over the time, a new prophet came to restore the original message. But this chain of Prophets ended with Muhammad (peace be upon him). Why it ended? Because the message is well preserved in Quran and will remain preserved till the end of time.

Since the message was same, all the humanity faced and is facing the same test through different scenarios.

For me this makes totally sense that only one book is determining the rise and fall of individuals, societies and nations because:
1) There is only one Creator. One God means one message for whole humanity.
2) If there was even one more books then it would bring chaos. Two books mean two books with different dos and don'ts. Consider you and I follow different books. In your book drinking alcohol was allowed and in my it was prohibited. Do you think this makes sense?
3) All the dos and donts are actually whats good for us and what is not good for us. Like you get an instruction manual when you buy a machine. Think of two different instruction manuals for the same machine.

OR human psychology is all too similar across the board and ends up inventing similar solutions o the same problem.
Now, have I ever seen a god? No. Have I ever seen two or more people independently arriving at the same solution for the same problem? multiple times!
Given this track record, which is more likely? God exists, or mankind made it up multiple times?
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God - a study in pointlessness. - by nogodchick - April 26, 2014 at 4:34 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - April 26, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Minimalist - April 26, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by KUSA - April 26, 2014 at 5:23 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by sven - April 26, 2014 at 5:26 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Aisha - April 26, 2014 at 5:42 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by nogodchick - April 27, 2014 at 11:40 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by truthBtold - April 27, 2014 at 11:47 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Minimalist - April 27, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Tonus - May 8, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - April 27, 2014 at 12:31 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by c172 - April 27, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 7, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 8, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by ThePinsir - May 8, 2014 at 12:33 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 8, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 8, 2014 at 12:40 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 8, 2014 at 2:18 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 8, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by ThePinsir - May 8, 2014 at 3:26 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 8, 2014 at 3:57 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Tonus - May 8, 2014 at 9:41 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Tonus - May 8, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Simon Moon - May 8, 2014 at 4:08 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 8, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Simon Moon - May 8, 2014 at 4:45 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by jesus_wept - May 10, 2014 at 7:10 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 8, 2014 at 4:30 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Heliocentrism - May 13, 2014 at 7:59 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 13, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by The Valkyrie - May 13, 2014 at 8:25 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 13, 2014 at 8:28 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Heliocentrism - May 13, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by The Valkyrie - May 13, 2014 at 8:57 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 13, 2014 at 9:00 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Chas - May 10, 2014 at 8:43 am
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RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by max-greece - May 8, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 8, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 8, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 8, 2014 at 2:18 pm
God - a study in pointlessness. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 8, 2014 at 3:20 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Deepthought - May 10, 2014 at 12:25 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 10, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 1:03 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 10, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 4:07 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by coldwx - May 10, 2014 at 4:23 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 4:38 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 10, 2014 at 5:40 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Chas - May 10, 2014 at 9:39 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 10, 2014 at 9:45 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 11, 2014 at 12:05 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 11, 2014 at 12:16 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Esquilax - May 11, 2014 at 4:54 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 11, 2014 at 5:18 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by coldwx - May 11, 2014 at 5:35 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - May 11, 2014 at 5:41 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - May 11, 2014 at 6:05 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Chas - May 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 11, 2014 at 6:29 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Tonus - May 11, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Deepthought - May 11, 2014 at 6:40 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 11, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 11, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Deepthought - May 11, 2014 at 3:58 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Tonus - May 10, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 5:34 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 10, 2014 at 5:43 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Lek - May 10, 2014 at 5:57 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Heliocentrism - May 13, 2014 at 8:26 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Tonus - May 10, 2014 at 10:41 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 11, 2014 at 12:03 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Ryantology - May 10, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 10, 2014 at 7:14 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - May 10, 2014 at 7:33 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 5:59 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 14, 2014 at 7:44 am
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 6:53 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - May 13, 2014 at 7:06 pm
God - a study in pointlessness. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 11, 2014 at 6:46 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 7:18 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - May 13, 2014 at 7:48 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 7:54 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by pocaracas - May 13, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 8:12 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by The Valkyrie - May 13, 2014 at 8:20 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 13, 2014 at 8:26 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by The Valkyrie - May 13, 2014 at 8:29 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Chas - May 13, 2014 at 8:54 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 8:34 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Silver - May 13, 2014 at 8:40 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 8:51 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 9:00 pm
God - a study in pointlessness. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 13, 2014 at 9:11 pm
RE: God - a study in pointlessness. - by Subhan Ahmad - May 13, 2014 at 9:15 pm
God - a study in pointlessness. - by Rampant.A.I. - May 13, 2014 at 9:18 pm

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