Las Vegas shooting = Tea Party terrorism

[Chas]

I am not a fan of the word "terrorist". It elevates the sickos to freedom fighters in the eyes of their supporters. They should be treated as the mere thugs and criminals they are.

In the civil west we are supposed to accept that sometimes we win or lose elections and should value the peaceful transfer of power. Getting violent does not prove to me you are worthy of listening to.

Slamming planes into buildings, shooting abortion doctors, or murdering cops on a lunch break, makes you a murderer, not a hero. Violence takes no brains. Thinking through problem solving and conflict resolution does.

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Um, no.

Eisenhower sent the first troops in. He was hardly a liberal.

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No, we can't. You seem to be calling any kind of wacko a 'gun nutter' if he happens to have a gun.

And the media demonize gun owners far more often than not. How is that 'enabling'?

Bullshit argument. This is the same problem Harris has with liberal atheists and theists about enabling the zealots. You do not do humanity any favors by hiding be hind religion to protect nuts. Same with guns. You do not help yourself as a gun owner by getting angry at the people who know it is a problem. Instead you should be getting angry at the people who make it a problem.

"Not all people" is a bad argument which is not what we argue with religion or guns. All it takes is "just enough" to fuck things up for everyone.

Get angry at the right people instead of getting angry at the people who are merely pointing out a problem exists.

Why do you assume that I'm liberal, or that I am angry at anti-gun nuts, or that I am not angry at gun-nuts and actual crazy people with guns?


That is one large pile of assumptions based on fuck all. It was a rant that did not respond to my post at all.

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No, we can't. You seem to be calling any kind of wacko a 'gun nutter' if he happens to have a gun.

And the media demonize gun owners far more often than not. How is that 'enabling'?

What I mean to say is that making the second amendment an issue leads to gun promotion and puts more of them in the hands of the unbalanced. But this article was about more than that. Media types and government officials who openly talk of renewing democracy with a little blood letting are a problem. Open carry zealots are a problem. People are a problem who think they have a responsibility to judge at a personal level when their second amendment rights call for an overthrow of government.

I don't disagree, but let's at least have some truth in labeling. Not every liberal is anti-gun, not every gun owner is a 'gun nut', not every person looking for a solution is a gun confiscator.

But the Second Amendment is there and has been deemed an individual right by the Supreme Court. That is a reality that has to be acknowledged.

Gun control laws must not violate it. Don't like it? Get it changed.

But how about we address the causes of violence in U.S. society. Solutions that have been effective in other countries may not work in the U.S. if the societies are too different.