Abortion is morally wrong

[Esquilax]

Esquilax, thank you for your thoughtful reply. Lets just focus on murder as the starting point here. I think it is clear that we both believe that murder is morally wrong and should be avoided at all costs, correct?

Correct.

Murder is the killing of an innocent human being. My reasons for thinking a fetus was a human being was that it was genetically complete in its information and belonged to the species homo sapien.

As my colleague CD has already pointed out, there are problems with that definition of humanity. Under that definition, a corpse is a human being; is it possible to kill a corpse? Or are we now seeing that there's more to human life than just DNA?

Im not mearly asserting that its murder in order to get some sort of emotional response. That is my argument.

Something tells me that if we extracted the fetus from the host and then just left it to fend for itself, you would object to that too, yes? If so, let's not continue under this false premise that it's the extinguishing of life that you are concerned with here.

And that's assuming I accept your definition of human life, which I do not, for reasons that begin with the objection I raised above and continue through numerous other points that I'll save for later.

As for the organ argument, I believe that to be misplaced on multiple grounds. For one thing, I could see an argument that people when they are able to help, save another human life should be morally obligated to do so.

Even when it negatively impacts their own health? Even when it could kill them? Are you in favor of knocking people out against their will, performing invasive surgery on them and giving their organs to other people who need them, or aren't you?

Care to consider the path that leads down, if we remove a person's legal right to their own organs?

I will not argue that point. I will argue that abortion violates a fetuses rights in the same way that it violates the mothers if we grant it humanity.

And as I said earlier, when a person is violating your rights it isn't a violation to take steps to prevent them from doing so. A person on your property can be removed from it by force, despite that ostensibly violating their own autonomy.

Furthermore, preventing murder is a greater injustice than bodily discomfort will ever be. Volition is never the starting point for morality, an act is either morally wrong or morally right.

You're being overly simplistic; context matters. If I kill a person in self defense, is that morally wrong? In the defense of others? I freely grant that it's not ideal to kill someone, but you're attempting to force black and white thinking onto a world that's fundamentally grey. I'd suggest you stop it and start thinking based on the nuances of the world, rather than your presuppositions.