(June 16, 2014 at 3:25 am)ska88 Wrote: So you think it's a proof that someone or something doesn't exit only because you don't think he is good..?!? Not sure what or who you're responding to here.
The thing is.. you have to believe first to judge ! You can't evaluate something unless it exists.
So don't judge my religion or that religion .. or say that I don't believe on God cuz he's unfair and make no sense!
Quote:If you want me to say why I'm muslim and not sikhi.. I will! But I don't think that you care ..I suspect you didn't actually make a choice, rather you simply copied those around you. which you've more or less confirmed.
Quote:I know how you feel cuz I wonder why you don't believe on God too
so let's try to understand each other .. really! For this purpose. And let's not try to prove who is wrong ..
I know no matter how I tried to convince you .. you will not believe .. That can only be if you want to. And you shall know that I'm so convinced with faith and religion .. and what you say about faith and believers doesn't really effect me![]()
Let's just try to understand each other.. arguments are useless and won't lead us to anything.
I believe on God because...
First I was born in a muslim country.. I've seen faith and how it affects people's lives.. when I see other people I know how happy and settled we are.. cuz I can see how lost they are.
Then.. I really became faithful with the bottom of my heart when I started wondering and asking questions.. I started young .. I remember when I said to my mom.. who created us? Why are we so sure that we are right?!?
She said.. well you can always search and find out the truth. She told me that even the quran says investigate and revaluate your faith.. and she started telling me the story of Ibrahim in the quran:
So that was the beginning of my journey .. and started reading what atheist say about Islam and God.. and I found answers for everything they said.. and they really make sense to me.. So my faith started to be stronger..
and after years and years of reading and searching.. asking questions ! I experienced things like talking to God as if I can see him.. and receiving the message .. every time .. in life!
If you want.. you can try.. just ask a question.. say God I don't believe on you .. it's your fault! you didn't make things clear to me.. Let me see something clear and obvious!! If you are there .. tell me!
Just try it!! won't hurt you..
I lost my babies twice.. I remember watching them die .. not moving.. no heart beats.. I cried so hard !!
But I started saying.. thank you God.. I know there is a wisdom behind that.. I know you love them more than I do.. and I know that you are merciful .. give me the strength and patience .. I'll learn from this experience and be a better person!
You know the death of someone dear .. the death of your child.. is so hard!! it either makes you strong or weak!!
and It made me.. strong and understanding.. and made me know and realize the real meaning of life.. life is not eternal.. we can die so soon.. before we know.
It made me realize that I should not worry about anything in this mortal life.. money.. luxury.. fame.. success .. I work hard to be better and make other people's life better.. and build and fix.. with a sincere heart and without being greedy and selfish.
This experience made me grow.. into a better person.
now you tell me what makes you an atheist and how did that affected your life and made you a better person?
remember we can always share ideas with a nice conversation.
So you experience some sort of feeling which you identify as "god". I have never had any such feeling and in my mid thirties I rather doubt I ever will. I heard similar things as a child, however these promises have always turned out to be hollow and empty.
Being an athiest has taught me the value of self-reliance, of listening first, and of not jumping to conclusions, to name but a few.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?-Esquilax
Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.