Can Someone be Simply "An Agnostic?"

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Exactly what in "there is zero contradiction between that which is wholly imaginary and the definition of the supernatural" is anti-religion? I'm a ranting anti-religion new atheist, and have been for 25 years? Compared to who, KC or Taq?

I thought it was well known that "New Atheist" is a term generally used to refer to atheists who's discussion of religion tends to amount to an angry rant about it?

Even if you take a wholly mystic doctrine like Enlightenment Gnosticism that says "Look, this is just a system of metaphor and allegory for reality; we're not saying any of it is literal." Which is why the church found them heretical: they contended God was a concept, not a literal entity.

What are you talking about? I'm not an agnostic, nor have I stated anything resembling the above.

You can believe whatever you like: I'm telling you I don't have any religious beliefs, and I think the disagreement between theists and most theists boils down to the vocabulary they're using to describe their experiences within the framework they've been handed to to impose order on their reality.

I didn't say you had religious beliefs...

It's more than a little amusing to be told it's impossible to abstain from forming irrational beliefs by people who were once indoctrinated believers and went to the other end of the scale, proclaim they don't believe what they once did, and anyone who still does is an idiot -- because that line of rhetoric ignores the similarity to a theist telling an atheist they secretly know god exists and deny it because they want to sin.

I can't tell if you're saying I did (or do) do this.

It's not unlike being told atheism is a religion, because it's impossible to not hold religious beliefs. In fact, It's the Jeremy Walker approach to atheism.

"I don't believe one way or the other."

"No you don't, you're an atheist."

Thanks for clearing that up for me; anything else you want to tell me about my mindset?

What the hell are you talking about? I didn't tell you anything about your mindset. The only thing I've said (not even to you, I think) is that atheists who define atheism as merely being the "lack of belief in gods" are being silly, and potentially dishonest on a few levels.