RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 28, 2014 at 11:16 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 11:28 pm by Bad Wolf.)
(June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: No evasion. I have had many, MANY miracles from Faith in God!
I didn't ask for miracles.
(June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: But what would my experiences do for you?
Neither did I ask for your experiences.
(June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: And truthfully.... our "personal" experiences are the only things important to us. Correct?
No
(June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: So again, why would me, relating to you; miracles through my faith do anything but bring more criticism?
It works for me, and others time and time again. And that is why I have strong faith.
What do you mean 'it works for me'. What does it do?
I asked for something that faith has discovered, a single fact, like the discovery of electricity. But now I realise that you haven't even said what faith actually does in order for it to work.
(June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: I see God in EVERYTHING! You see Him in NOTHING.
You see god in dog shit too then? What about flesh eating bacteria? What about cancer?
(June 28, 2014 at 7:58 pm)ronedee Wrote: Well... to be honest. They are very personal. I expect God to help me in all the small things. Which He does. And that can be explained away all day! But, some of the big miracles were things very close to my heart. And were life and death matters. And not just one, or 2. Several. And not explainable any other way.
So its just one giant argument from ignorance.
I'm sure if you described these 'miracles' to us, we may be able to enlighten you as to what caused them. At the very least, we would come to the conclusion that we don't know how it happened.
(June 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm)ronedee Wrote: But if I told you my mother died of a heart attack, and the hospital needed a "special" machine (that was lent to a nearby hospital) that starts the heart from inside the body,just appeared in her room and she came back to life.... would you then believe in God?
You mean a defibrillator? It just appeared out of thin air before your eyes?
(June 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm)ronedee Wrote: Would that change your mind about anything?
No, I would think you were lying or mistaken.
(June 28, 2014 at 8:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: Or! The machine was in the place all the time (back from being lent)... and someone knew it was needed. See! I helped you with an explanation.
A defibrillator needed in a hospital?!?! What manner of nonsense is this!
P.S. for Ronedee: that was sarcasm.
(June 28, 2014 at 8:18 pm)ronedee Wrote: Or... it was indeed a miracle, as I believe it was.
So a defibrillator being found in a hospital just in time to revive your mother, is a miracle?
Well if you think that is a miracle, what isn't a miracle?
When you've lost your keys and you pray to god then find them, is that a miracle? How about when you pray for your favourite sports team to win?
Surely a real miracle would have been your mother not having a heart attack in the first place.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech