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June 28, 2014 at 5:46 pm (This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 5:47 pm by fr0d0.)
How should I know!
So what are your rewards from Mr A?
(June 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm)Jenny A Wrote:
(June 27, 2014 at 6:03 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No no no no
Faith builds upon results that are tangible. Your faith is rewarded so you continue to trust, just like with de husband! And you lose faith not because God lets you down, but because you stop trusting.
*giggle* I know what the rewards of trusting the husband are. Just what past rewards have I received from god?
June 28, 2014 at 6:15 pm (This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 6:16 pm by ronedee.)
(June 26, 2014 at 7:24 pm)Mr Greene Wrote:
(June 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ronedee Wrote: I have a very dear friend that "was" a powerful believer in Christ, leave the faith.
We went back and forth, over the net (he is in the Philipines) arguing about why he left.
We ended our argument parting as "spiritual" friends which sadden me very much.
So you allowed your religion to destroy your friendship?
No. He ended it. The difference between him and I? I could accept him as he "is". He can't accept me as "he is".
Sound familiar?
(June 26, 2014 at 4:54 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Who am I to say it doesn't?
Tell me something right now that you have discovered through faith. And I don't mean: 'I've discovered jesus holy grace, praise The Lord!' No, none of that. Tell me one single discovery made by 'faith'.
(June 26, 2014 at 4:54 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Who am I to say it doesn't?
Tell me something right now that you have discovered through faith. And I don't mean: 'I've discovered jesus holy grace, praise The Lord!' No, none of that. Tell me one single discovery made by 'faith'.
Why? Would it change your mind?
Smooth evasion, but obvious. You won't answer because you can't answer because faith is useful only in making you feel better about believing something without evidence. Whether your answer would change my mind is totally irrelevant.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
June 28, 2014 at 7:18 pm (This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 7:19 pm by ronedee.)
(June 28, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:
(June 28, 2014 at 6:15 pm)ronedee Wrote: Why? Would it change your mind?
Smooth evasion, but obvious. You won't answer because you can't answer because faith is useful only in making you feel better about believing something without evidence. Whether your answer would change my mind is totally irrelevant.
No evasion. I have had many, MANY miracles from Faith in God!
But what would my experiences do for you?
And truthfully.... our "personal" experiences are the only things important to us. Correct?
So again, why would me, relating to you; miracles through my faith do anything but bring more criticism?
It works for me, and others time and time again. And that is why I have strong faith.
(June 28, 2014 at 6:39 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Smooth evasion, but obvious. You won't answer because you can't answer because faith is useful only in making you feel better about believing something without evidence. Whether your answer would change my mind is totally irrelevant.
No evasion. I have had many, MANY miracles from Faith in God!
But what would my experiences do for you?
And truthfully.... our "personal" experiences are the only things important to us. Correct?
So again, why would me, relating to you; miracles through my faith do anything but bring more criticism?
It works for me, and others time and time again. And that is why I have strong faith.
June 28, 2014 at 7:32 pm (This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 7:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Even one miracle ought to be evidence enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.....if you've had "many many" miracles occur to you or in your periphery it's going to be pretty easy to pick just one to demonstrate that fact, no?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(June 28, 2014 at 7:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Even one miracle ought to be evidence enough. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.....if you've had "many many" miracles occur to you or in your periphery it's going to be pretty easy to pick just one to demonstrate that fact, no?
Well... to be honest. They are very personal. I expect God to help me in all the small things. Which He does. And that can be explained away all day! But, some of the big miracles were things very close to my heart. And were life and death matters. And not just one, or 2. Several. And not explainable any other way.
But, I'm not thick skinned enough when it comes to my loved ones' life. I don't think anyone is.
You see, when miracles happen... friends and family find out, and ask for prayers. And the miracles keep happening!
The only thing we(my family) ask someone who asks for a miracle to do is "believe". Because w/o Faith.... it aint happening.
My wife and I were recently trying to think of one instance that God [didn't] answer our prayers in some way. And we though of only one. And it was someone who rejected them.
June 28, 2014 at 8:01 pm (This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 8:08 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, I'm not sure that doubling down on miracles is really the best way to go about demonstrating that -even one- miracle actually occurred. I would like to see, when you say things like "you see" but I just don't. I can't even begin to analyze this claim because it's being put out as an empty shell.
"Miracles and stuff happen, to people, you know, like things that are hard to explain, nothing in particular...but alot of the time......"
Can you see why this might be confusing?
Also, about the whole "it aint happening without faith" bit - how can you honestly tell me that? If you can explain away all these little things then why can't it be happening without faith? The same fortune could be shining in my direction on any given moment and I have no faith. That's possible, is it not? What's important here, is that it's happening (whatever it is), right? I wouldn't put that part of the claim in jeopardy just for a chance to recite some theology bud.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(June 26, 2014 at 7:39 pm)ManMachine Wrote: I do not necessarily accept your rather narrow definition of faith.
On a topical note, a Brazilian having faith his national team will win the world cup is not irrational, while its not a guarantee the odds are pretty good.
MM
I posted this thread in this forum because I wanted to focus on the faith as mentioned in the bible. Had I wanted to include the other type of faith, I'd have posted this in a philosophy section.
Yes, but you are already presuming there are different types of faith and that there are differences between them. I don't necessarily agree with that, is what I'm saying.
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
June 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm (This post was last modified: June 28, 2014 at 8:06 pm by ronedee.)
(June 28, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, I'm not sure that doubling down on miracles is really the best way to go about demonstrating that -even one- miracle actually occurred. I would like to see, when you say things like "you see" but I just don't. I can't even begin to analyze this claim because it's being put out as an empty shell.
"Miracles and stuff happen, to people, you know, like things that are hard to explain, nothing in particular...but alot of the time......"
Can you see why this might be confusing?
Sure I can.
But if I told you my mother died of a heart attack, and the hospital needed a "special" machine (that was lent to a nearby hospital) that starts the heart from inside the body,just appeared in her room and she came back to life.... would you then believe in God?
