(June 30, 2014 at 6:26 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote:(June 30, 2014 at 6:04 pm)ronedee Wrote: Whats stopping YOU from helping them? Even a few?
That's an evasion as you well know. What I do is irrelevant to a discussion on faith and prayers.
Can you answer the question? Why does he answer your prayers and not their prayers. I suspect a goodly number of those people prayed. Why does he answer our prayers for first world luxuries, apparently with great consistency, and not theirs for enough food to live? Do you think perhaps they're not praying hard enough?
Prayer has already been determined to be NONSENSE - and has no proven effect beyond that of chance.
Theists like to point to Individuals and single experiences as evidence of the effect of prayer - but when you total up ALL the people who pray for something - and then add up those who get it - the numbers for pure chance are equal to that of prayer.
The reason why people like that do not accept the challenge to pray for others - is that they KNOW that nothing will happen.
Over the years - so called pious religious people have prayed for the end to war -the end to disease - and lots of other LOGICAL things, and the excuse you get from the theists is that god will only do in accordance with his will that does not affect the free will of the recipient.
SO - tell them to pray for the end of sexual and physical abuse of Babies infants - and children not yet old enough to have reached the age of reason.
Since they are not old enough to have reached the age of reason -THEIR personal free will does not enter into the acts. (They do not choose to be abused) And certainly - no ALL LOVING god would be in favor of physical and sexual abuse of young children as being a part of its will. ANd yet - when you pray for that - nothing happens.
Makes you wonder why a commandment against rape isn't in the top ten.