Abortion is morally wrong

[Dystopia]

Blackout, do you see the problem here, taking into account what I bolded and what you presume to be your girlfriend's position?

Do you think that only people who don't like children or aren't teachers get abortions? How can you support someone who's position is to impose her own views on others? I know you aren't your girlfriend, but you've stated you respect her position. It's not a position, rather it's an imposition if she doesn't respect other women enough to make decisions for themselves.

I will ask her later on the matter. I respect her position because it is not based on god or mortal sins, it is justified on the simple fact she values more the right to live of the fetus when opposed to carrying out a pregnancy (she rightfully points out not allowing abortions is not forcing motherhood since you can give your son/daughter to adoption right after birth) for 9 months. I also respect she points out flaws in the system, eg abortion being totally free while the state cuts back pre-birth or after-birth pensions to support motherhood. In a country like mine, where we run out of young people and the population is growing older and older continuously, why isn't our government providing means for couples to raise kids? I think it is disgraceful to have to abort just because you don't have the financial means, the state should provide and help people who are in these situations, considering our demographics.

I think with a little of logical thought and conversations she will agree with me on liberalization, but she will always be against the ethics or the act.

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b-mine.

There are unspoken assumptions here, and out of hand dismissals of any other alternative. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm asking you to apply your argument -in favor- of something objectionable, and then tell us what you think. It's a thought experiment.

But as I stated in my last post, I would consider healthcare to be uniquely necessary. It's something that everyone needs. If it's a thought experiment that you want, I suppose I will have to fail, because I can't think of something objectionable that I would substitute for healthcare in a hypothetical. My argument is specifically for healthcare standards, that's it.


And, @ Blackout (i still don't know how to reply to two posts in one reply, stupid me)

Maybe I'm not being as clear as I could be. If a doctor refuses to perform any medical procedure based on anything except medical reasons (religious views, etc), that's fine. I just don't think they should be able to fly the banner of the AMA, as they would be going against its ethics code (which they subscribe to in entering the organization). I'm not calling for forcing a doctor by law to perform an abortion or a blood transfusion or providing condoms or anything else that might grind against one's religious beliefs, they just don't get to say that they align with the AMA's (a very well-respected organization) code.




And with that I actually have to head out, work calls. Wish I had more time but I don't. God willing (hah), I'll be able to get back to this tomorrow.

Ok. I don't know about the AMA since I'm not an american, so I will just abstain from this conversation.