(July 5, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(July 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Irrational Wrote: And I believe that the person, given the right reasons such as feeling severe chronic pain and knowing there's no cure and such (in other words, justifiable enough), should be allowed to undergo euthanasia if it's the only way to relieve their suffering and if that's what they desire. Otherwise, you'd just be prolonging their suffering.
I don't disagree.
(July 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Irrational Wrote: I base this on empathy rather than on some concern that some professionals are being "imposed" to do a big favor for someone else that only they can provide.
Are you suggesting that assisting someone to kill themselves when you have a strong moral compunction that such an act is morally wrong is NOT a huge imposition?
Engage that empathy that you claim to possess and put yourself in the person's shoes whom you would require to be the killer.
(July 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Irrational Wrote: What about the other example? Should the father have a right to instill thoughts about eternal hell in their children because that's what their conscience tells them?
I've already said that I think rasetsu has addressed this one adequately. I have nothing to add in the matter.
(July 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm)Irrational Wrote: And no one should dismiss them as rights that shouldn't be taken seriously, because any right that is conceptualized should be considered. Just because they're not currently legal right in some nation doesn't mean they could never be. So I have to disagree that your friend has adequately justified why we shouldn't consider them seriously.
Then we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I see no reason to take your suggestion that we criminalize the teaching of personal belief systems to one's children. You claimed you weren't advocating for thoughtcrime. If that's not what this is, I don't know what the fuck is.
Given that I live in a country with an *overwhelming* Christian majority, if anyone's beliefs were going to be subject to legal sanction, it's far more likely to be mine than theirs.
Yeah, that's what should've been the case from the beginning. Agree to disagree. But you wanted the discussion to keep going. So I complied.
