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Poll: which national objective should be used for tax dollars going to the state of Israel
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Only to support Jewish extremists.
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0 0%
No tax dollars should be sent to Israel, no matter the conditions.
83.33%
5 83.33%
Only sent if Israel's state and society accepts Modernization, Secularization and Science throughout the Middle East and within Israel.
16.67%
1 16.67%
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The American objective for tax dollars being used to support Israel?
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RE: The American objective for tax dollars being used to support Israel?
(July 12, 2014 at 7:10 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: You realize that what you're effectively advocating is the destruction of Israeli and a slaughter of Jews not seen on a scale since the Holocaust, correct?

Boru

One might point out that had Israel not been brought into existence in the first place, neither Jews nor Isreal would likely face even this slim possibility of a problem now.

Isreal is an attempt to solve a problem that had already been brought to a conclusion by world war two by trampling upon and at the expense of those who never had any major part in the problem at all.

(July 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm)CristW Wrote: Boru,

The best policy as the current condition stands, something which I accept should exist:

1. The state of Israel should and will exist.
2. The state of Israel should defend itself against any military aggression.

The best policy with added conditions:

1. The state of Israel should follow a Jeffersonian democracy throughout the region.
2. The state of Israel (with America and Europe and other nations) support Palestinian candidates which "mirrors" Jeffersonian democracy.
3. The state of Israel should follow and support, the separation of religion and state.
4. The state of Israel should promote trade with all its neighbors even if arab/muslim states are rejecting the offer.
5. The state of Israel should promote the elimination of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. Israel should promote and follow the implementation of alternative energies.

Note: with these conditions it will eliminate impetus for other states in the region in pursuing aggressive policies which endanger Israel and others.

I have the opposite view.

The modern state of Israel should never have existed. Its imposition was a blunder of criminal and self-defeating callousness masquarding as compassion.

In the long run, social, political and economic advantages come and go. Demographic advantage is likely to endure. However much Israel seems invincible before the Arabs today, the advantages that made Israel so are likely to be transient. The advantages of the Arabs in geography and population would be much more enduring.

So regardless of how much it can aggrandize itself in the name of security today, I think Israel's practiccal chance of surviving over a span of several centuries would depends upon Arab good will and strong economic interdependency with the Arab world. Without Arab good will its chances of long term survival would be slim. In fact the more it aggandize itself now, the slimmer that chance becomes in the future.

Now that it does exist, humanitarianism and principle of least additional damage argues that it should only be supported in its self preservation if it can do so without additionally aggrandizing itself at the direct expense of countries around it and therefore at the indirect expense of the any state (which includes the US) that has a strong stake in reasonably good relationships with these countries.
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RE: The American objective for tax dollars being used to support Israel? - by Anomalocaris - July 14, 2014 at 11:41 am

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