RE: Islam, the Materialistic Religion
July 21, 2014 at 4:31 am
(This post was last modified: July 21, 2014 at 4:43 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
(July 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote:(July 17, 2014 at 1:41 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Wow, that's a bit presumptuous of allah isn't it?
I call it "Frankness".
You see the Quran has this effect on people. Don't expect god to baby set you, or persuade you.
Especially after he gave you a gift like the human brain.
There's no evidence that your god has done anything. Evidence points towards my brain being the result of billions of years of evolution.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: More info ; this frankness is there to break the human ego. If you have ego, you'll flee from the Quran
Everyone has an ego. I find that theists tend to have the biggest ego going, especially when they proclaim to be special because they happen to believe in the one true god and that they will be 'saved' (from something).
And in general, people flee from the un-evidenced and contracitory quran when they see bloodthirsty megalomaniacs wielding it to justify murder. It does not 'break' people through its intellectual rigour or its power of revelation, it does so through the point of a sword or the barrel of a gun.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: another verse that furthermore explains :
( 26 ) Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example - that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allah intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient. Page 5, The Quran.
All gobbeldygook to me. Citing the quran is not a good way to convince someone the quran is worth more than the generally worthless paper it's written on.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote:Quote:I don't need to change anything.
People making claims need to back them up or stop stating that their claims are truthful.
The answer is in the stars and the cherry blossom, that's what makes these claims truthful, what should I do if you chose to blindfold your eyes from them ?
Re-readwhat I wrote. Provide evidence that culminates in something more than "pretty trees and fluffy animals THUS goddidit!". You're engaging with a forum of skeptics and this is the best you have to offer? Please, come on now.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:31 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Eventually, the people who didn't blind themselves would see it
Ah, yeah don't change if you don't want to..
also eventually, we will all make sure who was right and who was wrong.
Right and wrong is relative in many instances, but in this case it's you who is wrong until you can provide something more than airy fairy nonsense about how you are right. Indeed, all you're doing right now is spinning your wheels about how right you are but providing nothing to back that claim up.
If you're giving your best about why I should change, I'm pretty disappointed, especially if this 'change' is supposed to have eternal consequences for me. Is there anyone else we can speak to?
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