Abortion is morally wrong

[Ravenshire]

Because it's not a moral argument. "If you don't believe in slavery. . . don't have a slave." This is a pragmatic argument, but we wouldn't accept it, because it is abhorrent to our mores-- much as the destruction of a fertilized egg or fetus is to Christians.

And before everyone starts getting on their moral high horse and mocking outrage that I'm equating black people with fetuses, please skip the rhetoric get the point-- that we all have some mores so important to us that we will not tolerate the behaviors of those who violate them. It is not reasonable to expect those with different mores to just leave you alone to your own decisions, so long as you are part of a society which allows freedom of expression.

Actually Benny, an unwanted pregnancy is more akin to slavery than an abortion is. Further, slavery causes measurable harm to both the slaves and to the society that condones it. If abortion does, I've yet to see any studies by reputable scientists to show any evidence.

Abortion solves a plethora of very real world problems while the pro-lifers simply want to exacerbate them. They offer no alternative other than forcing an unwanted pregnancy on women, some of whom are unfit to be parents. Do you really believe a crack addict or a violently abusive person should ever be given the responsibility of a child?!? Seriously, do you really believe that anyone put in a position where a child is forced upon them is likely to become a good parent? Maybe it can, but call me a cynic, I don't think it would be the norm. I've seen way too much of the opposite.

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Nope. It's the pro-birth position. Once the kid is born it becomes straight up the don't-give-a-fuck-'bout-you-or-your-kid position.

That's one reason why I called it the Pro-death or Pro-negligence position, how could you possibly disagree...

Ok, I now see what you're saying and yes, we're in total agreement.