Abortion is morally wrong

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Actually pregnancy is a known and accepted consequence of sex, meteor strikes are NOT a accepted consequence of anything.

What an arbitrary line: pregnancy is a consequence of sex in exactly the same way that meteor strikes are a consequence of existing in physical space. Why is one thing something one just has to face the consequences for, despite the protections they use, whereas the other is somehow home free?

For example, you drive your car everyday, if one day you get into an accident and damage someone else's car can you argue I only wanted to get around, I didn't agree to hit your car so I'm not going to pay the bill.

Ah, but now you're talking about a different scenario, one in which fault and blame enter into the equation. But on the topic of pregnancy you've already stated that all the protection in the world wouldn't change your moral position, and pregnancy itself, especially in that case, would have nothing to do with either party actually involved. In your car scenario someone is at fault, intentions or not, but I wasn't discussing intentions, was I? If the cars were empty and a landslide smashed them together, would either owner be at fault there? If not, why would the woman be responsible for biological processes that she can't control?

Moreover, if I got into an accident and was injured, I am allowed to seek healthcare for that injury. No doctor in the world would refuse to work on me because I "knew the risks" of driving a car.

Or if you play ball in your backyard, use reasonable precautions (a fence or whatever) and you still accidently hit the ball into your neighbor's window can you aruge you are not responsible becuase you only want to play ball not break a window?

And again you bring up a scenario in which responsibility plays a part, when in conception we have no control at all over sperm or ovulation.

Regarding automony, I specifically state willingly and I argue by enganging in behavior that has a potential consequence you implicitly agree to those consquence assuming you knew of them and it was voluntary. Not sure where I forced anyone to do anything. thanks

So as long as you define "willingly" as "unwillingly, so long as some abstract but known consequences may or may not be present," then they were doing it willingly. Gotcha.

When I go into the city, I recognize that there's a chance I might be mugged. The city is dangerous, especially at night. If I get mugged, does the fact that I knew the risk mean I consented to be mugged? That's the problem with your argument; there's a ton of situations in which we technically know there are risks associated with doing them, but that doesn't mean we've consented to those risks, nor that we should be prevented from lessening the consequences of them. As I've said before, we live in an unpredictable world, and we shouldn't take that fact as a tacit acceptance of every possible risk there is.

... Unless you're just talking about pregnancy, in which case I'd love to know how you resolve the special pleading there.

I disagree with your changing of the analogy - if anything paying your own way is masturbation so you won't get pregnant (if you do they will worship your kid for 2K years) hence you didn't agree to my conditions and I have no claim to your.

That's the entire point. Merely asserting by fiat that the analogy should be something else isn't terribly convincing.

Sex is sex pregnancy is pregnancy is not a valid statement as sex leads to pregnancy, to paraphrase another response I gave, driving is driving and accidents are accidents, I didn't agree to the accident so I'm not responsible?

You know what? Both of those statements are true, because there are accidents where nobody is at fault. Which is the situation most closely analogous to pregnancy: if you're not in control of your car, and it's at a dead stop, and then another car at a dead stop is pushed into your car by some external force, are either of you drivers at fault?

So why on earth would the pregnant woman be at fault for the mindless, external forces she couldn't control, in the form of sperm?

Again meteor strikes are not a known consequence of anything, though if you invent a machine that could attract them to you and then get hit by one then it would be. let me know when that happens

Meteor strikes are a known consequence of living on a planet with gravity; after all, we know how meteors are attracted down here, and we know what happens when they land. According to your logic we have just as much information to make the decision to live on a planet outside of an armored bunker one in which we consent to being hit with meteors.