Abortion is morally wrong

[Losty]

Let me respond quickly as best I can
1) Lotsy I true to exclude you specifically because you seemed to actually engage the conversation I was having not bcause I give one rat's rectum about your friends. I was trying to be intellectually honest and if that came across as weakness then let me be the first to rectify that.

The part when I said "Really though," was me trying to imply that what I had said before that was just a joke. I'm sorry. I was just kidding.

2) I defined the premise that I was working under and specifically requested that. If you don't want to engage fine behave your discussions but don't direct them at me. It's intellectually dishonest to say I have not justified that a fetus should be a moral subject then disregard my arguement when I SPECIFICALLY SAY I am directing my arguement At people who believe the fetus is a moral subject but still have not objection to abortion. If you want to debate the point on the fetus FINE but if have repeatly stated that's not My point and if you don't accept it then my arguement won't hold with you. You are beating a dead horse and I wonder If literacy skills are lacking. I'm not trying to control the forum, only my part in it.

What are you even talking about? I said "As I have said, I do not feel that anyone has a moral responsibility to the fetus itself. I will allow for the fetus to be what you call a "moral agent" for a moment though."
That is me clarifying that although I do not agree that the fetus is a "moral subject" I am going to pretend like I do for the sake of responding to your post in the way that you asked for it to be responded to. What more do you want from me?

3) regarding the fact I didn't tie the knot so to speak. My arguement a loigicao conclusion is it is immoral to abdicate responsibility, engaging in intercourse results I implicit responsibility, then failing to honestly complete the responsibility and terminating the pregnancy willfully is immoral. Is that tied up neat enough? You may or not agree with the arguement but that is the logical conclusion. I keep assuming people have more intellect then they seem to

I got your argument, but what are your reasons to believe this?

Regarding the example of the mother. If she has 4 children and are starving then by your analogy that the outcome is the main issue should she just kill off a couple of her current kids. Older children can be more expensive so does she not have a moral obligation in your world view to minimize dr kids suffering by ending them? If not why?

We are discussing abortion. If you want to discuss the morality of killing children, then feel free to start a new thread.