(July 29, 2014 at 5:56 pm)answer-is-42 Wrote:(July 29, 2014 at 12:07 am)Losty Wrote: I admit that I don't really consider the fetus in my equation. A fetus only has value, in my opinion, if the woman carrying it assigns value to it. I don't see it as having or deserving rights, but if I allow for a fetus to have rights I will not ever allow for a fetus' rights to trump the rights of the woman's body that it is violating with it's presence.
I think this is the crux of the equation, if the fetus has no value other than that assigned to it by the mother then does it only obtain value when it is delivered? IE does a viable 38 week gestation have no rights or value because it happens to still reside within the womb? If not then what is the determinant of value?
Back to my basic question though, this is the crux of my arguement -- IF you accept that the fetus does have moral values (as atleast some pro-choice advocates do) then the common arguement is that is cannot trump that of the mother - as you have stated. However THIS is where my arguement lives, I suggest that the mother has implicited responsibility to the fetus by knowingly and willingly engaging in an action that led to them (and only with these conditions met) ANALAGOUS {not identical to} the examples that I provided and no different in my mind then as I said if you agreed to give me your kidney on the off chance mine failed for something in return and did not hold up you end of the bargain despite taking whatever I offered in exchange. This is not a LEGAL arguement, heck organ trafficking is illegal, but a MORAL one.
(July 29, 2014 at 7:55 am)bennyboy Wrote: Your grammar makes baby Jesus cry. You's have good point's though.
Certainly I agree that we can all have different morals, which is WHY MY QUESTION IS SPECIFICALLY IS THIS ACTION MORAL OR NOT AND WHY!
I'm assuming this is directed at me, since that is the what I have been talking about and don't see much recent activty by others on this subject.
LAWS are what we ALL MUST OBEY, MORALS are what we EACH CHOOSE to obey -- HENCE THE QUESTION (in the philosophy forum)
So called morals are only what works for each one of us as a society, in the bigger picture it means nothing, your morals may not be my morals, so again its what works as a society.