Intelligent Design: Irreducible Complexity?

[OfficerVajardian]

Firstly, ! Feel free to introduce yourself to us here.

To the OP, you're right, on both counts.

Thanks for the welcome!

It goes further than that. If there was a being that has omni-facets why would it want/need to 'create' anything at all? By definition it would have no wants or needs; it'd be perfect in every way.

The typical theist counter to this, and indeed to everything you've posted, is usually a version of "gods moves in mysterious ways". eg. Different understanding of what omnipotence/omniscience means, or that we can't understand or follow god's (undefined) reasons or plans (itself a contradictory statement).

The trouble is, when one introduces omni-facets into a debate about existence logic gets thrown out the window. It's impossible to resolve the myriad of contradictions that it throws up (immoveable object against an unstoppable force and all that).

So really the whole eye debate is just a very small segment of what is a larger debate as to the facets of what a 'god' has, or indeed what a 'god' is. A lot of theists think they're scoring cheap points against evolution when they argue irreducible complexity of an eye. What they don't often confront is the overwhelming evidence in support of ocular evolution and how natural selection can quite easily 'create' an eye, be it a simplistic one, a compound one, or indeed a 'complex' one like the eye we human's have.

Also welcome. Your English is fine!

Also, just wondering, is there actually a refutation to the "Well, God is Mysterious!" argument or is it just an unfalsifiable Creationist/ID escape hatch?

My english is a bit odd. (Wait until you see me *try* to write essays!) I'm still in High School and I need to take English as a Second Language classes. lol