RE: Intelligent Design: Irreducible Complexity?
August 13, 2014 at 7:29 am
(This post was last modified: August 13, 2014 at 7:37 am by SteelCurtain.)
(August 13, 2014 at 6:51 am)OfficerVajardian Wrote: I have had this occasion, when I was talking to this theist guy and someone posed the question of "How the designer got there" and the guy said:
<guy>
The Guy:
And what created the Creator? Good question, my friend. The question 'What created the Creator?' has the built-in assumption that the Creator needed to be created. No. Only things bound by the laws of physics necessarily need to be created. Don't make the mistake of trying to apply the limitations of the physical to the metaphysical, my friend.
I hope that this helps you better understand my current argument.
</guy>
This is that special pleading thing that everyone is talking about. Just saying that the Creator doesn't need to be created isn't nearly enough. One has to demonstrate why this has to be so. Also, one has to demonstrate that the same arbitrary logic cannot be applied to the proto-universe. If "guy" gets to define his terms as he wishes, why can't you?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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