Intelligent Design: Irreducible Complexity?

[OfficerVajardian]

I have had this occasion, when I was talking to this theist guy and someone posed the question of "How the designer got there" and the guy said:

<guy>

The Guy:

And what created the Creator? Good question, my friend. The question 'What created the Creator?' has the built-in assumption that the Creator needed to be created. No. Only things bound by the laws of physics necessarily need to be created. Don't make the mistake of trying to apply the limitations of the physical to the metaphysical, my friend.

I hope that this helps you better understand my current argument.

</guy>

This is that special pleading thing that everyone is talking about. Just saying that the Creator doesn't need to be created isn't nearly enough. One has to demonstrate why this has to be so. Also, one has to demonstrate the the same arbitrary logic cannot be applied to the proto-universe. If "guy" gets to define his terms as he wishes, why can't you?

Very, very true. I hadn't thought of that.