Abortion is morally wrong

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...the premise is that you made a choice that led to an implicit responsibility for THAT PARTICULAR moral subject or entity... you made a choice that lead to that subject being dependent upon you and you, in my estimation, have a moral responsibility to adhere to that consquence until such time as you may safely abdicate it to another

The problem with the 'responsibility' argument is that the means test for abortion becomes 'Were you aware of or subject to your responsibility in the circumstances surrounding conception?'. This is an near impossible test to administrate because of the possibility of diminished responsibility. A just system would have to establish responsibility before preventing abortion (rather than assuming responsibility and trying to establish irresponsibility before allowing abortion). So though this may be a powerful personal argument, it is of no use when setting legislation: the amount of time and evidence it can take to establish responsibility is reason enough to reject your argument as a mechanism for legislating abortion-practice.

YES YES YES as I have stated multiple times, this is a MORAL question and arguement NOT a LEGAL arguement that I am raising. I have made no proposal for legislation and would argue this is the wrong forum for that (politics seems more appropriate). My point is here is an arguement that I feel explains (to me) why abortion is MORALLY wrong - kinda like the title of the topic indicates

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I don't think you actually read my arguement, because I specifically state that the premise is that you made a choice that led to an implicit responsibility for THAT PARTICULAR moral subject or entity. This is similar (NOT IDENTICAL OR INTERCHANGABLE - internet trolls everywhere) to adopting a child or even a dog - you made a choice that lead to that subject being dependent upon you and you, in my estimation, have a moral responsibility to adhere to that consquence until such time as you may safely abdicate it to another - eg you can't dump a child on the street because you don't want it anymore - you actually have to take it to the state and relinquish custody. No where do i state that you have a responsibility to ALL subjects or entities! ONLY those that you have made a commiment to either Explicitly or Implicitly
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Of course I read your argument gigglesticks, I'm the one that's been correcting your usage of terms. I accepted that we had a responsibility, remember, but not -to provide life-...because we would have to be spotty about that, understand? Pages ago I mentioned that you have defined abortion as immoral, and thusly decided that it is- and it still holds. We aren't arguing to that conclusion, if your premise is that we have a responsibility to provide life for a particular moral subject (for whatever reason, and "choice" has got to be the flakiest one we could have appealed to). Your "argument" is circular, or, at least- it will be- if I can help you find it. Unless you take some of that stuff out of the premise, that is.

You made a claim that I made a circular arguement, but that is NOT what i did - EVER = please quote where I made such a claim. I DID state I feel abortion is morally wrong and HERE IS WHY - that is calld a justification that could easily be reversed and if you say here is my arguement and the conclusion that I reach from it is abotion is wrong. I am giving you BOTH my arguement and the conclusion - so OF COURSE they are going to be consistent - gigglesticks - just because you think you corrected some of my terms does not mean you UNDERSTOOD my arguement. My arguement is that we chose to have sex and that we therefore chose to be responsible for the repercussion of THOSE actions - and if it involves a moral subject then we DO have a responsibility to that subject. IF you do not feel the fetus is a moral subject, then fine the rest of the arguement does not hold and we can have a different discussion on wether the fetus is a moral subject in a thread dedicated to that and I would be happy to. Not sure where that arguement is circular, but please enlighten me.