RE: Dawkins sparks outrage for saying Down Syndrome babies should be aborted
August 24, 2014 at 12:57 am
(This post was last modified: August 24, 2014 at 1:16 am by Aractus.)
(August 23, 2014 at 9:01 am)Esquilax Wrote:I'm not adding a thing to what he said, I'm simply taking it apart. His response it not applicable to me - I don't know anyone with Down's, never have, and nor is my family or any of my current close friends affected directly by the issue of disability and disability care.(August 23, 2014 at 5:06 am)Aractus Wrote: What Richard Fucknuckle Dawkin says is absolutely offensive, small-minded, discriminatory, intolerant, it's just plain obscene. There is absolutely nothing constructive, healthy or redeemable about it.I think you're adding a lot that was never said, into your summation of Dawkins' opinion. But you needn't: the man himself expanded on what he was saying in a blog post later on, and in fact addressed the fact that what you think he was saying... wasn't, in his summarized list of the kinds of people who got offended at his tweet:
The reason is because in most first world countries - you may well be fortunate like me not to have the issue of disability care affect you or your personal family - but it is a very real issue that affects a huge number of people in our society. And we absolutely don't do enough - firstly because we're not helping these people reach their potential as a resource of society, but secondly because they're treated like second-class citizens. You may as well point and call them Wolves. A return to laissez-fair, Eugenics or any other slippery-slope model is the wrong direction. Disabled people shouldn't be a problem for any first world country - we're wealthy enough to make sure they're comfortable, happy and free to live their lives, participate in the workforce - and - not be a burden upon their families. Dawkin's dumbass opinion is based on the fact that he thinks that Wolves are a drain on society and on their families. That isn't true, what is true is that society currently doesn't give them a fair go when they should be afforded that.
Richard Dawkins Wrote:Those who took offence because they know and love a person with Down Syndrome, and who thought I was saying that their loved one had no right to exist. I have sympathy for this emotional point, but it is an emotional one not a logical one.
I didn't make an emotional argument, I mad a logical one, based on the very principles that my society is founded on. The values of a fair go for everyone and the others that I already laid out, and I'd rather not repeat myself at this time.
Note, and this is where I will repeat myself, the point I was making is that his comments are not constructive to fixing the social and economic problems surrounding the issue of disability. It shouldn't cost parents any more, and it shouldn't mean that the mentally disabled cannot fully participate to their potential and live a happy a fulfilled life. If these problems didn't exist in the first place then there would no room in the first place to suggest that aborting all foetus's that may be disabled is such a great idea. Eg. "abort all the jiggaboos because then they they don't have to face the racial discrimination later in life".
As for your comment: fuck you. I had to hear racial slurs nearly every fucking day for 4 years, it affected my stress levels and so until I become a racist and used those terms every single day in a context where I am being racially hateful you don't get to tell me, ever, not to use them. I have to be able to express them to release the years of the built up rage and stress. I know it's not nice, but that's my point and that's the context that I do it in.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke