Abortion is morally wrong

[bennyboy]

First, I have not shouted FAILURE AT anyone - I was EMPHASIZING the word in the context of the sentence (dumba$$) not contextually directed at anyone so stating that I have done so ("please stop shouting FAILURE at people who disagree with you." - bold added by me) it is intellectually dishonest and a true straw man arguement.

1) Stop EMPHASIZING with CAPS, it's RUDE and POINTLESS.
2) You clearly don't know what a straw man argument is. Please stick to debatey-sounding terms that you understand.

If you do believe that the fetus is a being then you must have a moral obligation to them as well.

I don't know what "being" means to you. I define it as the ability to feel emotions, pain, and other physical sensations. I don't think an early-term fetus can meet that definition, because it hasn't got a developed brain.

As a male (I;m assuming from the context) there is little physically you can do during the gestation, but let me ask a theoritical question. If you could cause a spontanous abortion to the fetus without in anyway effecting the mother (so as to maintain her rights to her body) would it be immoral of you to do so without the consent of the mother?

That question doesn't make sense, because a human fetus is a group of cells with a particular physical collection to the mother.

Finally "It means accepting that your actions have consequences, and attempting to minimize bad ones. To many, this means not allowing a child to be brought into the world with disadvantageous circumstances." Couple issues. This seems to justify the eradication of anyone who is in a disadvantageous circumstance. Can we go start shooting homeless people because they would be better off dead?

No, we can't. They have spent a lot of time and effort developing feelings and world views. The can experience fear and pain, and have a will to live.

What criteria do you use to decide that is better for someELSE to be dead then alive in a given circumstance?

I don't have criteria for that. I have a criterion for deciding whether a pregnant female should carry her fertilized egg cell to term: 1) She wants to.

Finally minimizing bad outcomes does not really have anything to do with my moral arguement. You can minimize poverty by killing the poor (see above) but does that make it moral? Morality as i see it is about what is right and wrong, not what maximizes good or bad outcomes.

Unless you have a compelling description of the "rightness" of forcing some impoverished teenage girl to carry an unwanted infant to term and raise it in a life of poverty, then I'll go with minimizing the impact of her pregnancy by letting her have an abortion.