RE: Abortion/Consciousness/Life
September 4, 2014 at 12:33 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2014 at 12:54 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You're being greasy with your use of the word conscious/ness. When we say that people are "unconscious" -as to say asleep or passed out (or knocked out on a choice cocktail)..we are not referring to the same thing as when we are are speaking of peoples "consciousness". To be unconscious is not, amusingly, to lack consciousness. I guess that's just an amusing holdover eh?
You've dreamt before, I imagine, it should be easy to understand from there. But, rights -are- modified when a person is in a coma. You can actually pull the plug on a person in a coma. Try that shit with a guy that's up and talking, hell, can't even pull the plug if he begs you to. I'm sure I'm just preachin to the choir though, doc.
On the other hand, considering your question in a different light. When the state executes someone by lethal injection they knock em out first. If they didn't, we'd call it cruel and unusual (and then they'd have a harder time doing it). So, the varying states of both your conscious activity and your consciousness -do- seem to have a modifying effect on our laws and their justifications. I'd say consciousness is required in a creature before you start wondering whether its a moral subject or not, btw...lol. You can't harm what isn't there. So, consciousness required for being human? No. Consciousness required for the full breadth of human rights - the rights that your peers may enjoy, yup. Hell, you have to add some age in there too...we have all sorts of modifiers with regards to what rights we have, what the law may or may not intervene upon. Another good example. You can spank your own child, no worries. Don't spank someone else's (and don't even touch their mommy or daddy). Tangled, tangled web, isn't it? We have alot of ways of classifying a person, legally, and most come with a variable list of what sort of rights that person posesses - so I have to say, I don't understand the question you asked at all. If you were trying to ask whether or not consciousness ought to be a factor in abortion as it applies to law or rights, yeah, I think so. If you're wondering whether or not consciousness ought to be a factor in declaring someone to be a member of a species - well, I don't see why that would be the case, no.
You've dreamt before, I imagine, it should be easy to understand from there. But, rights -are- modified when a person is in a coma. You can actually pull the plug on a person in a coma. Try that shit with a guy that's up and talking, hell, can't even pull the plug if he begs you to. I'm sure I'm just preachin to the choir though, doc.
On the other hand, considering your question in a different light. When the state executes someone by lethal injection they knock em out first. If they didn't, we'd call it cruel and unusual (and then they'd have a harder time doing it). So, the varying states of both your conscious activity and your consciousness -do- seem to have a modifying effect on our laws and their justifications. I'd say consciousness is required in a creature before you start wondering whether its a moral subject or not, btw...lol. You can't harm what isn't there. So, consciousness required for being human? No. Consciousness required for the full breadth of human rights - the rights that your peers may enjoy, yup. Hell, you have to add some age in there too...we have all sorts of modifiers with regards to what rights we have, what the law may or may not intervene upon. Another good example. You can spank your own child, no worries. Don't spank someone else's (and don't even touch their mommy or daddy). Tangled, tangled web, isn't it? We have alot of ways of classifying a person, legally, and most come with a variable list of what sort of rights that person posesses - so I have to say, I don't understand the question you asked at all. If you were trying to ask whether or not consciousness ought to be a factor in abortion as it applies to law or rights, yeah, I think so. If you're wondering whether or not consciousness ought to be a factor in declaring someone to be a member of a species - well, I don't see why that would be the case, no.
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