(September 5, 2014 at 8:03 am)Michael Wrote: Esquilax
I disagree (what a surprise!). I see myself simply as acknowledging a subjective view of an absolute objective truth. I can only ever engage with the objective subjectively, if you get my drift. What I recognise as good and bad does not define good and bad. I could be wrong. But I have to trust that I'm not, so I trust that a proposal that says everything I consider good (and what the Christian faith says is good) is actually bad just doesn't make sense to me. I would have to abandon and reverse my world view. It's certainly a view that would be contrary, if not the polar opposite, to the Christian faith. Could it be that rape is good? I trust that is not the case, and it's certainly a proposition that I can't make sense of.
But this is saying that you made your own moral judgment, and then just attributed any responsibility for it to a law giver. If your god had an expanded view of moral good, so that murder was included as a good act, would you follow that religion? Same god, same book, only now a single moral issue has been inverted; are you still a christian in that scenario?
Quote:On Satan. Yes, I was assuming you meant as the bible describes him (though he's generally the accuser or the tempter, at least outside of John the Revelator's vision with which I really struggle). I certainly assumed we'd both see Satan as part of creation rather than the creator. Sure, if you want to redefine Satan as something different you can, but then your words start to have no clear meaning to me because if you do that, without defining them in advance, you'll be speaking a different, and private, language that I can't translate.
Well, I was hoping that you'd judge Satan on his actions, and not just the presupposition that god is the creator of morality. I mean, Satan has a far lower body count than god does, and murder is immoral, so...
Now, a lot of people brush that off the way I'd imagine you would, stating that any seeming violation of moral laws by god is okay, as any action god performs is good by definition, as he has a good nature. But that just demonstrates the unreasonable double-think required of that position.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
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