RE: Abortion is morally wrong
September 5, 2014 at 12:13 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2014 at 12:15 pm by Losty.)
(September 4, 2014 at 12:11 am)answer-is-42 Wrote: Finally to losty. Thank you for actually addressing the arguement at hand. I think you have a misunderstanding about my entire arguement and structure. I may be because I was not clear or you may have misunderstood. Regardless let me try again...
I agree with your first assumption that a fetus is a moral subject so let's move from there.
I just want to clarify that this is not my assumption. This is an allowance I am making for you to be able to make your argument based on this assumption.
answer42 Wrote:If you willingly take an action that you know or should know can have a repercussion on another subject then I beleive that it is immoral to not take responsibility for that consequence (double negative, I know sorry, late and can't quite figure out a more clear messsage at this time)I am with you so far.
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. So if you willingly have sex with the knowledge that sex can cause pregnancy then you have by virtue of your action morally accepted that responsibility (remember a whole bunch of pages back the example of the rich guy and the kidney?) The subject of your responsibility then becomes the fetus that you (and a sperm donor of some sort) created. That is responsibility portion of my arguement and is the main counter to the my body, my choice arguement because I am arguing that by willingly and knowingly engaging in sex you have willingly and knowingly accepted the responsibility for that action.
answer42 Wrote:The next part (which I also previously outlined seperately) is what type of action consitutes responsibility? IF you agree that the fetus is a subject then destroying the subject is not in my estimation demonstrating any more responsiblility then (and as I said previously I am not equating abortion to murder, this is ONLY an EXAMPLE) killing someone (also a moral subject) because you broke their arm - yes the issue (broken arm) is taken care of, but how is this a remedy to the affected subject?If you could actually say what you mean with out all the extra stuff it would be easier for me to respond.
Example:"The next part is what type of action consitutes responsibility? If you agree that the fetus is a moral subject then destroying the subject is not in my estimation demonstrating responsibility."
To which I would respond, why not? If you can, answer this question directly without making any examples from irrelevant, separate circumstances like broken arms or windows.
answer42 Wrote:In the case of the fetus, I would say it is reasonable to take the fetus to viability then deliver it (premature that it may be).
Why is this reasonable?
answer42 Wrote:The question of who should then foot the additional medical costs due to the intensive care of a premature infant is not mine and has nothing to do with the moral arguement at hand.
I think it's very relevant.
answer42 Wrote:If you have another example or option of responsibility or can argue that destroying a subject is an act of responsibility to that subject then I would like to hear it as a counter (this is genuine).
As I haven't seen that you've made any argument (rather you've just given blind assertions with silly irrelevant examples), I will choose to do the same. If a fetus is a moral subject that does not mean the mother is morally obligated to provide life for said fetus.