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Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God?
RE: Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God?
(June 12, 2010 at 3:23 pm)The_Flying_Skeptic Wrote: see. you're applying abstract shit to physics "a=a ... for an electron in the universe" that's confusing logics with reality. edit: i'm sorry for my choice of words. you are loosely applying a mathematical truth to the physical properties of a a subatomic particle. i'm not suggesting that "a=a", however you want to apply it, is a law of physics in any way.
Well, all of science is applying abstract shit to reality, isn't it? If A=A does not apply to reality than wtf does it apply to? The quest of science is just that, trying to apply abstract models to reality and see how far we can go with that. If that's confusing logic with reality. And I haven't applied it that loose. According to the law of identity a thing should constitute that very thing.

BTW, A=A is not a law of physics. It's at the basis of everyday logic. But if it does not hold in physical reality than what logic is there in reality? That's exactly my point, logic does not prescribe reality.
(June 12, 2010 at 3:35 pm)Ramsin.Kh Wrote:
(June 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote: There is no rule that they should, you are just asserting that.

Some cross checking: If A=A is true for an electron in this universe in the double slit experiment, than what is it? Particle or wave?
All matter, not just an electron, displays wave and particle properties.
An electron is an electron, it does manifest or becomes apparent as a wave and a particle, but that does not change what an electron is.
A particle cannot pass through both slits at once, still that's what experiment tells us. What evidence do you need to falsify A=A if this is not enough?

(June 12, 2010 at 3:35 pm)Ramsin.Kh Wrote:
(June 12, 2010 at 2:09 pm)Purple Rabbit Wrote:
(June 12, 2010 at 11:25 am)Ramsin.Kh Wrote: Therefore, in this respect, all universes are logical and illogical.
Does that sound logical? Thinking
It depends, the answer is no if you consider the classical logical framework.
(June 12, 2010 at 5:06 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Say A is a logical framework build on axiomas A1, A2 and A3
And B is a logical framework build on axiomas A1 and A3
And C is a logical framework build on axiomas A4 and A5
A non-traditional logical conclusion can be made since you've used axioms in your post,
A = {A1, A2, A3}
B = {A1, A3} => A ∩ B = {A1, A3}
C = {A4, A5} => A ≠ C ≠ B
That's right. A ≠ C ≠ B, different unreconcilable logical frameworks.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
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RE: Are Theists Illogical for Believing in God? - by Purple Rabbit - June 12, 2010 at 4:11 pm

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