(September 13, 2014 at 2:57 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: 1. What do Christians mean by God's love or God is love?The word love in English is translated from the word agape' in the Greek. This is one of 4 words the Greeks used to defined love. Agape is unique as it describes the love God has for us and the love/respect we have for Him. It is the perfect form or expression of love.
1 cor 13 describes this love in better detail.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV
Quote:2. Is God's love conceived as conditional or unconditional?According to john 3:16 God's agape is conditional. 16 Yes, God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him would not be lost but have eternal life.
Belief is that condition. Because if one does not believe he will be cast into Hell. That is not a loving act for the person going into Hell.
Quote:3. If it is unconditional, how can one ever divorce themselves from it?see above.
Quote:4. Does God continue to love those whom he has reserved hell for?there are several in the bible in whom God is reported as hating. Again, not everyone is loved.
I would say those reserved for hell can probably count themselves in that number.
Quote:5. If God is omnipresent, in what sense is it logical to speak of the absence of his presence in hell?The only qualifier for Omni presents is to be everywhere at once. 'Everywhere' is a synonym for creation. Hell being the absences of God is therefore the absence of creation. (Otherwise point to which day of creation it was created.) that is why the description of hell is as being the second death, the void, the pit ect..
What makes hell Hell is the absence of God. In turn what makes heaven Heaven is the presence of God. These two places have nothing to do with a bill of building materials.
Quote:6. If God is immutable, how can any love he possesses for us ever change into wrath?This statement presupposes two things, love and anger can not coexist. (If you been married for any length of time, have kids or seen any type of betrayal from someone close to you till the end you know the two can exist together.) the second you suppose that God loves everyone. While a popular teaching, it is simply not biblically supported.
Other wise provide book chapter and verse.
Quote:7. If you have/had a child who disowned you as a parent, and you therefore reacted by revoking any extension of love you possessed for them, in what sense could your love be considered unconditional?what in the bible makes you think Gods love is unconditional?
Quote:8. If God's love is conditioned on our actions or beliefs about him, is it fair to say that God's love is inferior to the love that many human parents do in fact possess for their children?there are few if any 'parents' ever who can truly say their love is unconditional.
If your children just oozed anger and hostility to you and any of his siblings, who sided with you. (Not pitch a fit in wal-mart angry, Isis cut his brother's head off with a dull knife and post it on line x3 angry) with a kid like this could a self righteous parent still claim an unconditional love?
What of the children who truly love the parent? Will the self righteous parent who claims 'unconditional love' put the kids that freely and openly shows the love they have for the parent in harms way, just for the sake of the parent's bragging rights/claims to unconditionally love to all their children? Or will they cut out the cancer and protect the good kids?
When you compare apples to apples, our strongest parental love( 'storge' in the Greek) falls far short of agape.
Why? Because we are all born to the isis hate I described, but God loved us so much that for those who want redemption will have the opportunity it receive it. If we as parents had kids who hated/sinned against us as much as we sin against God we would have them so heavily medicated they would be bed ridden. (For their own safety.) Or if the partents could afford it be pawned off on a nanny, boarding school or behavior modification ranch.
God simply let's us seek redemption or not. He loves us all enough to give us a chance at life born apart from His known glory, so we can follow our hearts. So that when we are judge we can know that God's judgement is indeed just.[/quote]
