RE: General questions about the Christian idea of God and love
September 14, 2014 at 4:16 pm
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2014 at 4:22 pm by genkaus.)
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would God send those He loves to Hell?
According to Frodo - "because its somehow the just thing to do"
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Appearently some 'atheists' really can't grasp the concept that God does not love everyone.
No, atheists are fine with the idea that your god is a misanthrope. Its the Christians who keep saying that he loves everyone.
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: There are those whom God hates.
Care to convince Fr0d0 of that?
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Just so you are not confused, if what I am saying is if you can not find a biblical command that has God telling Christians to do the things you listed,
Are you saying that Saumuel 15:3 doesn't count because it wasn't issued to Christians?
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: God is not the cause of these acts,
Given the very question of his existence - I'd agree.
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: The cause was what you currently rally behind, what the Germans rallied behind in Hitler's Germany, what the Chinese and the Russians rallied behind when they went on their destructive rampages that had nothing to do with God. It's man's morality.
Actually, that would be absolutist, irrational and authoritarian morality - that is what the Germans and Chinese and Russians rallied behind. And guess what, your god's morality is absolutist, irrational and authoritarian. You are the one who rallies behind them.
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: Mans morality can be twisted to do anything his heart truly desires.
Not if its rational.
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: God/bible is the only point of contrast between what you think right and wrong is and what actual right and wrong is.
Yes, god's/biblical morality is subjective and open to interpretation and any actual right and wrong would require an objective morality.
(September 14, 2014 at 3:26 pm)Drich Wrote: "Biblically unsupported platitude."
Is that a correction? Because you did say "empty" before.
(September 14, 2014 at 3:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:Quote:You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love (agapēseis) your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love (agapāte) your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you?
—Matthew 5:43-46, RSV
In loving your enemies you are mimicking God who loves his enemies.
"Unconditional love" is a modern translation of the word 'agape'. A being who's prime attribute is love can't hate.
Quote:“But God demonstrates His own (agape) love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Rom 5:8)
If we were still sinners then he hated us and condemned us to hell. If he didn't condemn us to hell, then he didn't hate us.
Well, sounds like Biblical justification for why your god can't hate?
But then, what about the biblical justification Drich gave about why he does hate? Where did he go wrong?
